"one of the most open economies" being an euphemism for guano-insane lack of consumer protection.

If anything that keeps your corporate overlords from trampling over consumers everywhere they please is "a barrier", then your economy shoudl be quarantined off before its diseased perception of company-consumer relation infect the rest of the world.
 
Trump's recent physical lists him as 6' 3'' despite being half a head shorter than Musk and a head shorter than Vance in this article's photo.

 
Trump's recent physical lists him as 6' 3'' despite being half a head shorter than Musk and a head shorter than Vance in this article's photo.

Trump has demonstrated that he tends to lie about even the most trivial things, so this could be just another example. However, Musk and Vance seem to be a little closer forward to the camera in the picture than Trump, which can distort the comparison a little, making Trump seem slightly shorter, but in most photos that show them side-by-side or shaking hands, etc., Musk appears to be obviously taller than Trump and so does Vance. They aren't far enough from each other in that particular picture for it to be distorted all that much, so Trump is clearly shorter than both Musk and Vance. Google-fu says that Musk and Vance are both 6'2" and it's unlikely that either of them are under-reporting their height, so it's likely that they are both no taller than 6'2", and they might even possibly be little bit shorter, given that, as the article references, people tend to shrink in height a little as they age, starting around 40 years old, losing eventually a couple inches in height. Interestingly, Google also lists Trump's height as 6'2".

In my anecdotal experience, guys tend to report their height for life as whatever their tallest height was, without ever making any account for their lost height over time. My Dad always reported his height as 6'3" until he passed away, and he surely was, at one point in his life, but he was certainly not that height in his old age, because I was significantly taller than him by the time I finished High School and I never reached 6'3". I had a funny conversation with my friend/neighbor's Mom many years back, where she refused to believe that I was taller than my Dad, despite the fact that I clearly was. She remarked to me at the time "Well he must have shrunk, then, cause I know he used to be taller than you." I responded that of course he was taller, when her son and I were little kids, but she shook her head and adamantly replied that "No, he was taller than you are right now." Up until that point, it had never even crossed my mind that an otherwise healthy person could shrink in height, (besides due to some kind of physical illness, disability etc).

Since Trump Vance and Musk are all over 40, but Vance is only 40 and Musk is 53, while Trump is 78, it could be that Trump was 6'3" at one point, and continues to claim to be 6'3", but has shrunk down a couple inches to 6'1" or even 6'0", while Vance and Musk remain at 6'2" because they haven't started shrinking yet. That could also explain why Trump is claiming to be taller than two men who are clearly, demonstrably taller than he is.
 
Prince William is 6'3"

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Trump's real height is 6'0" at best, judging from these photos.

But yes, Trump is such a narcissist, that he would lie about such a trivial thing, even though he would not be considered short at 6'0".
 
Shrinking with age, I understand, is actually not unusual - plenty of people lose a few inches in their later lives.

Growing taller with age past about twenty or so, on the other hand, is quite rare.
 
“Irish Star”

Is there an official health report I can read? Every link I clicked on that tabloid page led to another article claiming the same thing without proof, but with increasing number of silly ads falling out on top of my head like candy. Seems like clickbait.

He looks a 6.1-6.2 to me, but that can be optics, shoe heel, etc. He is taller than most people. Of course, it would be slightly amusing if he really claimed to be taller than he is, but so far I haven’t seen conclusive evidence he tried to.

I sometimes measure height and I know that almost everyone is slightly taller when they wake up and then the spine compresses slightly (1-2 cm) in the evening. So, if you ever want to inflate your height, subscribe for morning measurement!
 
Prince William is 6'3"

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Trump's real height is 6'0" at best, judging from these photos.

But yes, Trump is such a narcissist, that he would lie about such a trivial thing, even though he would not be considered short at 6'0".
I was kinda giving Trump the benefit of the doubt... speculating that he was once indeed 6'3" and is just sticking with that, similar to what many guys do as they age... continue claiming the tallest they ever were in life as their current height...

However, given how much shorter than Prince William he is, I'm now a little skeptical that he was ever 6'3". Unless William is wearing lifts he appears to be significantly more than 3 inches taller than Trump... the bottom of William's chin is at the middle of Trump's ear and the center of William's nose is at the crown of Trump's head. Trump's iconic epic combover hides this a little, but William appears to be more like 4 or 5 inches taller than Trump.

If that is indeed the case, then Trump likely was never actually 6'3"... He was probably more like 6'0 or 6'1 at his tallest and has since shrunk to 5'11", 5'10" or so. Lying to significantly exaggerate his height from the very beginning is much more on-brand for Trump and the people around him would never correct him, of course. In any case, look how close he is in height to Marco Rubio.

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Rubio is 5'9"

Rubio has a combover too, just nowhere near as elaborate as Trump's, but you can see through Trump's combover where the actual top of his head is, and it's not even above the top of Rubio's hair, so its probably only an inch or so above the top of Rubio's actual head.
 
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The Trump regime has directly defied TWO court orders in the of span of an hour, by saying there will be no return of Abrego to the states, and continuing to bar the AP from access.
Its worse than that...

El Salvador’s Bukele, meeting with Trump, says he won't return migrant wrongfully deported​

El Salvador's President Nayib Bukele, sitting next to President Donald Trump in the Oval Office, said on Monday he will not return Kilmar Abrego García, a migrant from Maryland who was wrongfully deported.

"I don't have the power to return him to the United States," Bukele said when a reporter asked.

"How could I smuggle a terrorist into the United States?" he added, repeating the Trump administration's claim that Abrego García is a "terrorist" gang member of MS-13 -- which it has not claimed in the court battle over his fate.

Bukele, the self-described "world's coolest dictator" who has become a key partner in Trump's controversial deportations, called it a "preposterous question," saying "of course, I'm not going to do it," as Trump nodded in agreement.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...id-deportation-controversy/story?id=120788481

So not only is Trump refusing to bring him back, the President of El Salvador is refusing to return him.

Now of course they are both playing coy... Certainly the President of El Salvador could release him if he wanted, and would obviously release him if Trump requested it. Similarly, Trump could easily send a plane to retrieve Garcia from El Salvador if he wanted and the President of El Salvador would allow that if Trump requested it. Instead Trump is claiming he doesn't have the authority to take someone from El Salvador's custody and Bukele is claiming he doesn't have the authority to drop someone off into the US.

The situation Garcia is in reminds me of the movie Office Space, where Milton is complaining that when he asks his supervisor, Mr. Lumberg about his missing paycheck, he is told to talk to payroll about it, and when he calls payroll, he is told to talk to Mr. Lumberg about it. Its just not as funny... Garcia is being given the run-around 1) for their sadistic amusement; and 2) because Bukele does not want Garcia coming back to the US telling tales of the conditions within the prison where he is being held.
 
oh I think I caught why I'm not understanding, I'm not talking about the trump administration as much as the entire economic policy world of the US since the neo-lib turn in the 70s...

but I get your point about not "running MMT", nor am I confused about the acronym, thanks for the elaboration about its functional description role vs a predictive role, II understand what you mean...
I guess the thing is, even a lot of "MMTers" seem to think you can "do MMT" and that the "modern" is referring to 'modern money, the theory', rather than 'modern theory, the money'. I wouldn't even trust its authors to be 100% consistent.

But any engagement with what MMT actually is or does is in its nonpartisan analysis of the economics of money as it arrives in its various legal states.
 
The Trump regime has directly defied TWO court orders in the of span of an hour, by saying there will be no return of Abrego to the states, and continuing to bar the AP from access.

The situation Garcia is in reminds me of the movie Office Space, where Milton is complaining that when he asks his supervisor, Mr. Lumberg about his missing paycheck, he is told to talk to payroll about it, and when he calls payroll, he is told to talk to Mr. Lumberg about it. Its just not as funny... Garcia is being given the run-around 1) for their sadistic amusement; and 2) because Bukele does not want Garcia coming back to the US telling tales of the conditions within the prison where he is being held.

I saw people speculating they won't return him because he's dead. This strikes me as unlikely. They are refusing to return him because of course they are, because this is about flexing their power.

Also want to note this is exactly what we warned about when the Supreme Court dropped its order, it was fairly obvious that they were giving the government wiggle room to say "we've tried nothin, and we're all out of ideas". I suppose I could still be wrong but I'm pretty sure the Court is going to let them get away with this, and in another month there will probably be dozens of US citizens inside that prison.
 
I guess the thing is, even a lot of "MMTers" seem to think you can "do MMT" and that the "modern" is referring to 'modern money, the theory', rather than 'modern theory, the money'. I wouldn't even trust its authors to be 100% consistent.

But any engagement with what MMT actually is or does is in its nonpartisan analysis of the economics of money as it arrives in its various legal states.

Yes, it is confused further by the fact that MMT people have a variety of political views and all of them tend to present their views as seamlessly connected to their MMT understandings.
 
I saw people speculating they won't return him because he's dead. This strikes me as unlikely. They are refusing to return him because of course they are, because this is about flexing their power.

Yep this is getting bad for sure. This is even worse than Jackson's "the supreme court has made their ruling now they most enforce it." Miller and Trump are not even acknowledging they are violating a court order.

With April 20th coming up soon, I'd say it's best to have an exit plan if you're in the targeted demographics. I have 95% odds that they will either invoke the innsurection act or martial law. Even if the report publicly says it isn't needed.
 
*because he is obviously using them to manipulate the stock market to make himself & cronies richer
Aaaaaand as if on cue:

Greene Bought Market Dip Before Trump Paused Tariffs, Profiting From the Rally​

The Georgia congresswoman purchased at least tens of thousands of dollars in stock the day before and the day of President Trump’s pause of a sweeping set of tariffs that sent the market soaring.
Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Republican of Georgia, disclosed on Monday that she had purchased between tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of stock on April 8 and 9, the day before and the day of President Trump’s announcement that he was pausing a sweeping set of global tariffs, a pivot that sent the stock market soaring out of a sizable slump.

Ms. Greene bought between about $21,000 and $315,000 in stocks on those days. The day before Mr. Trump’s move, she also dumped between $50,000 and $100,0000 in Treasury bills, according to required public disclosures made to the House.

The report came as Democrats in Congress have demanded investigations of whether the president’s whipsawing moves on trade might have been aimed at manipulating the market and giving his allies a lucrative opportunity for insider trading.
Members of Congress are required to report their stock trades within 30 days of making them, though they only have to mark down broad ranges rather than specific dollar amounts. Ms. Greene’s April 8 and 9 trades — 21 each in the range of $1,001 to $15,000 — are some of the first among members of Congress that will be reported over the coming month as lawmakers detail their financial moves around the time the president encouraged people to buy the dip ahead of his pause on tariffs.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/14/...-greene-bought-stock-trump-tariffs-pause.html
 
Its worse than that...

El Salvador’s Bukele, meeting with Trump, says he won't return migrant wrongfully deported​


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...id-deportation-controversy/story?id=120788481

So not only is Trump refusing to bring him back, the President of El Salvador is refusing to return him.

Now of course they are both playing coy... Certainly the President of El Salvador could release him if he wanted, and would obviously release him if Trump requested it. Similarly, Trump could easily send a plane to retrieve Garcia from El Salvador if he wanted and the President of El Salvador would allow that if Trump requested it. Instead Trump is claiming he doesn't have the authority to take someone from El Salvador's custody and Bukele is claiming he doesn't have the authority to drop someone off into the US.

The situation Garcia is in reminds me of the movie Office Space, where Milton is complaining that when he asks his supervisor, Mr. Lumberg about his missing paycheck, he is told to talk to payroll about it, and when he calls payroll, he is told to talk to Mr. Lumberg about it. Its just not as funny... Garcia is being given the run-around 1) for their sadistic amusement; and 2) because Bukele does not want Garcia coming back to the US telling tales of the conditions within the prison where he is being held.
this breaks a supreme court order

normally, this would mean either impeachment or, failing that, military/police intervention

problem is, well

edit: by normally, i mean in a healthy country
 
this breaks a supreme court order

normally, this would mean either impeachment or, failing that, military/police intervention

problem is, well

edit: by normally, i mean in a healthy country
David Culver on CNN just reported that Gustavo Villatoro, the Security Minister told him El Salvador is actively requesting specific people by name that they want the US to deport to them. The deportees are not random.
 
David Culver on CNN just reported that Gustavo Villatoro, the Security Minister told him El Salvador is actively requesting specific people by name that they want the US to deport to them. The deportees are not random.
a) ??? what do you mean by not random, are you defending this? this is a very confusing interjection
b) and going from that weird interjection, since i'm unsure whether you got the point as outlined in my post - it's also completely irrelevant to the point. scotus made and order and are, even if rep-packed atm, one of the cornerstone bastion of checks on executive power. trump ignoring court orders is the problem i'm pointing at. el salvador isn't even relevant as to this function. it could be a scotus instruction as to anything. trump ignoring this with no repercussion means you have a king. with no military intervention, seeing trump is juggling military leaders to install loyalists, you may keep one.
 
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