Weren't those people legally a foreign country?
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No. Absolutely not. In fact, that, incidentally was the initial justification for the "invasion". They illegally engaged in rebellion/insurrection, mostly because they wanted to keep owning, buying and selling slaves.
Also... that issue doesn't impact/change the answer to @choxorn ... because regardless of whether they regarded their illegal rebellion as forming a "foreign" country, they still called it "America"... so the war was still America versus America, ie., "America invading America"... which was the original point.
On a related note... It still is surreal that Trump hasn't been, and likely won't get indicted for fomenting insurrection, while numerous others are going to jail for it.
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Farm Boy
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It was and it wasn't a country depending on what law the Union was following, none of which were habeas corpus. Because the executive flat ignored the court. The Union wasn't under the rule of law or Constitution, at that point.
Which again, doesn't matter in terms of the original point... regardless, they still called it "America"... so the war was still "America invading America"
If trump is indicted by the DOJ/Jack Smith will he be released and if so under what conditions?
Mug shot?
Own recognizance?
Bail?
No foreign travel; take his passport?
Gag order?
Mug shot?
Own recognizance?
Bail?
No foreign travel; take his passport?
Gag order?
Gori the Grey
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In the Manhattan case, they said they didn't need a mugshot because he is instantly recognizable anywhere.
If they put bail on him, it will only be in order to be doing things in a pro forma fashion, not give him preferential treatment.
If they seize his passport, it will be for the same reason. I think they should do these two things for that reason; I think they should handle him just like anyone else indicted of the same crime. Just to send the message that no one is above the law. But I think he will get preferential treatment.
I think the gag order comes from the judge, once the trial is underway.
If they put bail on him, it will only be in order to be doing things in a pro forma fashion, not give him preferential treatment.
If they seize his passport, it will be for the same reason. I think they should do these two things for that reason; I think they should handle him just like anyone else indicted of the same crime. Just to send the message that no one is above the law. But I think he will get preferential treatment.
I think the gag order comes from the judge, once the trial is underway.
Lexicus
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Seriously tho, Biden needs to send in the troops to liberate, at minimum, Georgia, Florida, Texas, and Tennessee.
Lexicus
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Lexicus
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Times don't change. Jefferson Davis and the other ringleaders of the rebellion never faced the gallows despite nearly half a million Confederates becoming casualties.
As others have said, no, but generally the answer to "is <secessionist rebellion movement> legally a foreign country" is based on whether it succeeded or not. The CSA did not succeed and therefore, legally, no.
FriendlyFire
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Supposedly the inside man working with the DoJ to bring down Trump is Mark Meadows!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-793-espionage-act-mark-meadows-b2353684.html
Prosecutors are supposedly ready to ask grand jury to indict Trump today and mark meadows is cooperating with the investigation.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-793-espionage-act-mark-meadows-b2353684.html
Prosecutors are supposedly ready to ask grand jury to indict Trump today and mark meadows is cooperating with the investigation.
An indictment this week would be fabulous.
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Or some have started hoping for next Wednesday: Trump's birthday!
If I were Jack Smith, I'd be severely tempted to hold off till then.
If I were Jack Smith, I'd be severely tempted to hold off till then.
