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Trump Indicted!
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Ajidica
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Ziggy Stardust
Absolutely Sane
Well, not really hoped for justice because that was never going to materialise.
Some consequences would have been nice. And I don't mean the hero status he got out of it from his loony followers.
Gori the Grey
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Good times.
Nope. @Birdjaguar can attest that I have been steadfast since the beginning that there was no hope whatsoever... my as-yet, un-eaten hat, being a testament to same.
Perfection
The Great Head.
I don't like this sort of cynicism it's leads to inaction and complacency.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Bro America is cooked, it has been for ages, it's time to let it pass away peacefully and instead balkanize
Perfection
The Great Head.
no I want my constitutional rights in the way my 7th grade civics class pretended the founders intended
Welcome to the cynicism show.
Archon8
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If you put aside politics, and just look at the legality of the prosecution, it was dubious at best, and really Alvin Bragg should be disbarred.
Trump was indicted under 34 charges of falsifying business documents in the first degree. The felony version of this crime requires intent to commit or conceal involvement in another crime. Alvin Bragg said quite vaguely that these were violations of New York election law. That is circular logic. It's saying "you hid money in order to break the law, and that law being that you hid money."
At most, Trump maybe could have been charged with the misdemeanor version of the law, but as even the felony part had already had its statute of limitations expire, that would apply even moreso to nonviolent misdemeanors from 6 years prior.
The reason why Americans so forcefully rejected the "conviction" is that we saw it as completely politically motivated and not grounded in any kind of desire for justice. If Trump had been charged with something tangible, then sure that could have influenced my vote. But he reimbursed his lawyer for paying hush money? Why am I supposed to care?
Trump was indicted under 34 charges of falsifying business documents in the first degree. The felony version of this crime requires intent to commit or conceal involvement in another crime. Alvin Bragg said quite vaguely that these were violations of New York election law. That is circular logic. It's saying "you hid money in order to break the law, and that law being that you hid money."
At most, Trump maybe could have been charged with the misdemeanor version of the law, but as even the felony part had already had its statute of limitations expire, that would apply even moreso to nonviolent misdemeanors from 6 years prior.
The reason why Americans so forcefully rejected the "conviction" is that we saw it as completely politically motivated and not grounded in any kind of desire for justice. If Trump had been charged with something tangible, then sure that could have influenced my vote. But he reimbursed his lawyer for paying hush money? Why am I supposed to care?
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Trump being a domestic abuser and a rapist didn't seem to stop you voting for him either, i guess that speaks volumes huh
Perfection
The Great Head.
not circular at all, the felony statue of falsifying documents was to cover election finance violations a completely separate law.
Archon8
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Oh yes some lady accusing him from 30 years ago, such proof. That really helped destroy the credibility of liberals trying to convict him of something.
Perfection
The Great Head.
i mean really who wants to get some from an oompa loompa
Archon8
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Then why wasn't he charged with that law? The bootstrapping was ridiculous, saying that Trump concealed money to break a law, but he's not even charged with that apparent law that he was supposedly concealing money to break.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Sorry that the man you willingly voted for is a rapist, who you continue to support
Perfection
The Great Head.
im drunk it's 4:40am im just relaying things that i dimly remember from 2 years ago that if you were smart enough to google you could find out, I just gave you a hint for your future journey. Good luck. Maybe someday you'll have the break through moment where you realize you've been conned.
Archon8
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So if I accuse Kamala of abusing me 30 years ago, she can get convicted, right? It would be the exact same amount of "evidence" as there was against Trump.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Was Kamala found in a court of law to have abused/raped someone? Did she have to pay damages?
I understand that women's consent means nothing to you and Trump, but it means quite alot to over half of the population.
Archon8
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"A court of law." My guy, this is the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy. I don't care what a court decided, because I looked at the evidence, or lack thereof. It's profoundly obvious that this was completely politically motivated. Anyone not named Donald Trump never would have been found liable for anything based on one person's accusation about something from 30 years ago.
And your little comments like saying women's consent means nothing to me really reflect badly on you, that you can't discuss a topic rationally without resorting to insults.
