Trump Indicted!

Besides everything, sure. Changing the rules is a process. Depriving rights is a process. It's all interpretive at one step. How that interpretive dance is done by the unelected cabal of career alcoholics is tied up with the whole process, start to finish. How much change to the process is allowed, at that step?

Again, this has nothing to do with actually-existing originalism as a philosophy motivating the actions of actual jurists, as opposed to whatever holistic idea of originalism is contained in your mind.
Well, you're talking about originalism. If you just want to talk about <slur>s, alright.
I'm extrapolating my mental slur from the collaborator level victims you'd prefer from or previous conversation couple weeks back, but sure!

Trump’s public statements led to harassment of witnesses, federal prosecutors say​

By Katelyn Polantz, Senior Reporter, Crime and Justice

Former President Donald Trump’s public statements about the federal election interference investigation led to the harassment of witnesses, according to prosecutors with special counsel Jack Smith’s office. Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is overseeing the federal case against Trump related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election, is weighing what to do with the special counsel prosecutors’ complaints regarding the alleged harassment. The allegations were made public by the court Friday, after previous court filings indicated prosecutors were taking issue with Trump’s “extrajudicial statements” about the case.

“In its Motion, the government seeks to establish that Defendant has publicly criticized his perceived adversaries and is aware that this criticism has led to their harassment,” Chutkan wrote in an opinion Friday to unseal part of the discussions.
Chutkan also indicated that prosecutors fear Trump will continue to lob personal attacks at possible witnesses. “The history of harassment and threats towards the individuals whose information has been redacted demonstrates the real likelihood that they could suffer further intimidation upon disclosure of their identities,” Chutkan said in the Friday opinion.

What prosecutors are asking the court to do about the situation is not yet public. Chutkan also wrote that the names of the witnesses who have experienced harassment, and what happened to them as described in their interview transcripts, can remain confidential.

Judge Tanya Chutkan, who is overseeing the federal case against Trump related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election, is weighing what to do with the special counsel prosecutors’ complaints regarding the alleged harassment.
Put. Him. In. Jail. Pending. Trial.
From the company currently formerly known as Twitter:

Twitter gave at least 32 of Trump’s private messages to special counsel

Newly unsealed court filings show company turned over messages after receiving search warrant in election subversion case

Spoiler :
Twitter gave the special counsel prosecuting Donald Trump for alleged election subversion access to at least 32 of the former president’s private messages.
The company, now known as X, turned over the messages after receiving a search warrant, CNN first reported on Friday, citing newly unsealed filings to the US circuit court of appeals.

It was revealed in August that federal prosecutors had received access to “some volume” of Trump’s direct messages, but the details were not known at that time. In the aftermath of the 2020 election, Trump routinely used his account to spread misinformation and make false claims about so-called election fraud.
The quantity of direct messages provided by Twitter was revealed in a court filing in which the company sought to appeal a judge’s ruling fining the company $350,000 for missing a deadline to comply with the search warrant.
The court authorized the search warrant in January 2023, according to the filings, as well as a nondisclosure order, and gave the company 10 days to provide the requested materials. The government was seeking data from October 2020 through January 2021 – “a time span that includes the November 2020 presidential election and the January 6 insurrection at the Capitol”.
But the issue soon turned into a legal battle between Twitter and the US government. Twitter sought to vacate or change the nondisclosure order before providing the requested materials.
The company said it would not meet the deadline because it had not received enough notice to do so, and then argued it would not comply with the nondisclosure order without changes due to the “intense publicity around the investigation”. Twitter also said it was concerned Trump would seek to assert executive privilege over parts of his account – arguments federal prosecutors dismissed.
“Indeed, the materials Twitter produced to the government included only 32 direct-message items, constituting a minuscule proportion of the total production,” prosecutors wrote.
Maintaining secrecy was crucial in the investigation, prosecutors wrote, adding that Trump had sought to undermine or influence the investigation into his alleged mishandling of classified information, which included publicizing the existence of the Mar-a-Lago warrant.
“These are not hypothetical considerations in this case,” prosecutors wrote in the brief. “Following his defeat in the 2020 presidential election, the former President propagated false claims of fraud (including swearing to false allegations in a federal court filing), pressured state and federal officials to violate their legal duties, and retaliated against those who did not comply with his demands, culminating in violence at the US Capitol on January 6.”
Apparently Trump used classified documents to make To Do lists for his assistants. He would write the lists on the docs and give them to his assistant. She is chatting with Jack Smith.

Trump Is Said to Have Told Aide Not to Acknowledge She Knew of Documents​

Molly Michael, a former assistant to Donald Trump, told investigators he had instructed her not to tell them about classified files he kept at Mar-a-Lago: “You don’t know anything about the boxes.”

The revelations about Molly Michael’s discussions with investigators were the latest to show the scale and nature of the evidence gathered by federal prosecutors working on the classified documents case. Credit...Associated Press

By Maggie Haberman and Alan Feuer
Sept. 19, 2023Updated 6:05 p.m. ET

A former assistant to Donald J. Trump has informed investigators that the former president told her to say she did not know anything about the boxes containing classified documents that he had stashed at his private club in Florida after leaving the White House, according to a person briefed on her comments. The assistant, Molly Michael, who worked for Mr. Trump in the area outside the Oval Office and then in his post-presidential office, told the investigators about Mr. Trump’s comments when she was interviewed as part of the inquiry into his handling of sensitive government documents.

“You don’t know anything about the boxes,” Mr. Trump told Ms. Michael when he learned that federal officials wanted to talk to her in the case. Her account was first reported by ABC News and was confirmed by the person briefed on her comments.
Ms. Michael also told investigators that Mr. Trump would write notes to himself on documents that he gave her listing tasks he wanted done. She later realized that in some cases the documents had classified markings, the person briefed on her comments said. The specific nature of the documents in question remained unclear, the person said. “These illegal leaks are coming from sources which totally lack proper context and relevant information,” said Steven Cheung, a spokesman for Mr. Trump. “The Department of Justice should investigate the criminal leaking, instead of perpetrating their baseless witch hunts.” Ms. Michael could not be reached for comment.

The revelations about Ms. Michael’s discussions with investigators were the latest to show the scale and nature of the evidence gathered by federal prosecutors working on the classified documents case. Mr. Trump stands accused of illegally holding on to dozens of highly sensitive national security records after leaving office and of conspiring with two aides at Mar-a-Lago, his club and residence in Florida, to obstruct the government’s repeated attempts to get them back. Ms. Michael is one of at least two witnesses who could be called to testify at Mr. Trump’s trial in the documents case and present the jury with evidence that the former president sought in some way to obstruct the government’s investigation. In July, another potential witness in the case, Yuscil Taveras, one of Mr. Trump’s information technology workers, reached a cooperation deal with the government and told investigators that the property manager at Mar-a-Lago asked him, at Mr. Trump’s request, to delete from a computer server security footage that the government was seeking as part of its inquiry.

Ms. Michael’s account about Mr. Trump writing notes on classified material did not appear to be directly related to any of the specific charges he is facing in the case. But the information could be used at trial to portray the former president as treating sensitive government documents recklessly or carelessly.

Her remarks could also be used to reinforce that Mr. Trump was trying to keep people from sharing information about the boxes with investigators.

Trump is found liable for fraud in New York civil case​

September 26, 20232:52 PM MDTUpdated 9 min ago

This part I especially like:

Engoron also ordered the cancellation of business certificates for the Trump Organization and other corporate defendants, and sanctioned Trump's lawyers for contributing to their clients' "obstreperous" conduct and making "preposterous" legal arguments during the case.

About damn time Trump got called out on his obstreperousness . . . obstreperocity . . . obstrepitude.
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Judge Rules Trump Committed Fraud, Stripping Control of Key Properties​

The decision in a lawsuit that could go to trial next week is a major win for Attorney General Letitia James, who says former President Donald J. Trump overvalued his holdings by as much as $2.2 billion.

A New York judge ruled on Tuesday that Donald J. Trump persistently committed fraud by inflating the value of his assets, and stripped the former president of control over some of his signature New York properties. The decision by Justice Arthur F. Engoron is a major victory for Attorney General Letitia James in her lawsuit against Mr. Trump, effectively deciding that no trial was needed to determine that he had fraudulently secured favorable terms on loans and insurance deals. Ms. James has argued that Mr. Trump inflated the value of his properties by as much as $2.2 billion and is seeking a penalty of about $250 million in a trial scheduled to begin as early as Monday. Justice Engoron wrote that the annual financial statements that Mr. Trump submitted to banks and insurance companies “clearly contain fraudulent valuations that defendants used in business.”

Ms. James, in a brief statement, said, “We look forward to presenting the rest of our case at trial.” A lawyer for Mr. Trump, Christopher M. Kise, indicated that he would appeal the decision, which he called “outrageous” and “completely disconnected from the facts and governing law.” He said that the judge ignored an earlier appeals court ruling and “basic legal, accounting and business principles.” While the trial will determine the size of the penalty, Justice Engoron’s ruling granted one of the biggest punishments Ms. James sought: the cancellation of business certificates that allow some of Mr. Trump’s New York properties to operate, a move that could have major repercussions for the Trump family business.

Understand New York State’s Civil Case Against Trump​

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An empire under scrutiny. Letitia James, New York State’s attorney general, has been conducting a yearslong civil investigation into former President Donald Trump’s business practices, culminating in a lawsuit that accused Trump of “staggering” fraud. Here’s what to know:
The origins of the inquiry. The investigation started after Michael Cohen, Trump’s former personal lawyer and fixer, testified to Congress in 2019 that Trump and his employees had manipulated his net worth to suit his interests.
The findings. James detailed in a filing what she said was a pattern by the Trump Organization to inflate the value of the company’s properties in documents filed with lenders, insurers and the Internal Revenue Service.
Trump’s lawsuit. In December 2021, Trump sued James, seeking to halt the inquiry on the grounds that the attorney general’s involvement in the investigation was politically motivated. In May, a federal judge dismissed the suit.
Invoking the Fifth Amendment. In August, Trump faced questions by the attorney general under oath. He declined to answer anything and invoked his right against self-incrimination, leaving James with a crucial decision: whether to sue the former president or seek a settlement.
Fraud lawsuit. In September, James’s office rebuffed a settlement offer from Trump’s lawyers. Days later, she filed a lawsuit against Trump and his family business, accusing them of a sweeping pattern of fraudulent business practices. In October, Trump filed a suit in Florida, accusing James of trespassing on his right to privacy and seeking to halt her case.
The possible penalties. James is seeking to bar Trump and three of his adult children — Eric, Ivanka and Donald Trump Jr. — from ever running a business in the state again. Her office has also referred the findings to federal prosecutors in Manhattan.

The decision could terminate his control over a flagship commercial property at 40 Wall Street in Lower Manhattan and a family estate in Westchester County. Mr. Trump might also lose control over his other New York properties, including Trump Tower in Midtown Manhattan and his golf club in Westchester. The order will not dissolve Mr. Trump’s company, which is a collection of hundreds of entities, but the decision could nonetheless have a sweeping impact on the heart of its New York operations. If Justice Engoron’s decision is not reversed by an appeals court, it could shut down an entity that employs hundreds of people working for him in New York, effectively crushing the company.

“The decision seeks to nationalize one of the most successful corporate empires in the United States and seize control of private property,” Mr. Kise said.

While Ms. James’s civil case had been overshadowed by the four criminal indictments of the former president — which are unrelated to Ms. James’s accusations — the judge’s decision, if it stands, will represent the first punishment to emerge from a government investigation into Mr. Trump. Justice Engoron’s decision narrows the issues that will be heard at trial, deciding that the core of Ms. James’s case was valid. It represents a major blow to Mr. Trump, whose lawyers had sought to persuade the judge to throw out many claims against the former president. In his order, Justice Engoron wrote scathingly about Mr. Trump’s defenses, saying that the former president and the other defendants, including his two adult sons and his company, ignored reality when it suited their business needs. “In defendants’ world,” he wrote, “rent-regulated apartments are worth the same as unregulated apartments; restricted land is worth the same as unrestricted land; restrictions can evaporate into thin air.”
“That is a fantasy world, not the real world,” he added.

The judge also levied sanctions on Mr. Trump’s lawyers for making arguments that he had previously rejected. He ordered each to pay $7,500, noting that he had previously warned them that the arguments in question bordered on being frivolous.
Repeating them was “indefensible,” Justice Engoron wrote.

Mr. Trump still has an opportunity to delay the trial, or even gut the case. Mr. Trump has sued Justice Engoron himself, and an appeals court is expected to rule this week on his lawsuit. But if the appeals court rules against him, Mr. Trump will have to fight the remainder of the case at trial. Mr. Trump has long been his own most dedicated promoter and for years has acted as a booster for the value of his buildings and his brand. For years, the possibility that Mr. Trump was fraudulently exaggerating the value of his assets has intrigued prosecutors, and the Manhattan district attorney’s office at one point came close to indicting Mr. Trump for misrepresenting their value. The current district attorney, Alvin L. Bragg, declined to pursue that case, but later indicted the former president in connection with a hush money payment to a porn star.

A Guide to the Various Trump Investigations​

Confused about the inquiries and legal cases involving former President Donald Trump? We’re here to help.​

Ms. James started investigating Mr. Trump in March 2019 and filed a lawsuit against him last September, accusing him of “staggering” fraud in representing the value of his apartment buildings, hotels and golf clubs, among other assets. Her filings have accused Mr. Trump of using simple, duplicitous tricks to multiply the represented value of his signature properties, from Trump Tower to Mar-a-Lago. In one noteworthy example, she accused Mr. Trump of overestimating the size of the triplex apartment in Trump Tower in which he lived for decades, saying it was 30,000 feet, rather than about 11,000. Justice Engoron seized on that, noting that Mr. Trump’s lawyers had “absurdly” suggested that the calculation of square footage was subjective and adding that good-faith measurements might vary by as much as 10 to 20 percent, but not 200 percent.

“A discrepancy of this order of magnitude, by a real estate developer sizing up his own living space of decades, can only be considered fraud,” he wrote. Mr. Trump’s lawyers had asked Justice Engoron for a so-called summary judgment — a ruling that they were entitled to a victory before trial based on undisputed facts — seeking to toss out many claims against him. They relied heavily on an appeals court ruling from June that raised the notion that some claims against Mr. Trump might be too old to proceed to trial. Justice Engoron denied Mr. Trump’s request, interpreting the appeals court ruling the opposite way that they had argued, while granting Ms. James’s similar bid for partial summary judgment. Mr. Trump, a Republican, has denied all wrongdoing and accused Ms. James, a Democrat, of political persecution. His lawyers have noted that the banks that lent Mr. Trump money were hardly victims: they turned profits. They also argued that valuing property can be subjective, more art than a strict science.

“The court disregarded the viewpoint of those actually involved in the loan transactions who testified there was nothing misleading, there was no fraud, and the transactions were all highly profitable,” Mr. Kise said in his statement. He added that there was “zero evidence of any default, breach, late payment or any complaint of harm.”

But Justice Engoron, with whom Mr. Trump’s lawyers have tangled at every turn, mocked those arguments. “The documents do not say what they say; that there is no such thing as ‘objective’ value,” the judge wrote, summarizing his take on their arguments, and adding, “Essentially, the court should not believe its own eyes.”

In a footnote, he added a line from the movie “Duck Soup” uttered by Chico Marx: “Well, who ya gonna believe, me or your own eyes?”
He might be evicted from his residences, I've heard, because he doesn't own them; they're owned by his LLCs and then provided to him as an employee benefit. :crazyeye:
Wouldn't that be fun! Homeless and on the street.

N.Y. appeals court refuses to delay Trump fraud trial set to start Monday​

By Shayna Jacobs
September 28, 2023 at 3:57 p.m. EDT
NEW YORK — An appeals court Thursday declined to postpone the start of next week’s trial in the New York attorney general’s $250 million fraud lawsuit against Donald Trump and his company.
The appellate court had been asked by Trump’s legal team to put off the scheduled start of the proceeding Monday and to force New York Supreme Court Justice Arthur Engoron, who will oversee it, to dismiss claims that were covered by statute of limitations.

In its two-page ruling, a panel at the Appellate Division, First Judicial Department, does not say whether Engoron committed an error by not finding that elements of the case are time-barred. An interim stay of the trial was vacated. The ruling follows a major decision by Engoron on Tuesday that fraud was committed broadly by Trump, his namesake company, two of his adult children and two longtime employees. In that decision, Engoron ordered the revocation of Trump’s business certificates in New York and signaled that those entities would be dissolved under a receivership.

At the trial, Engoron will now only determine whether illegal conduct was employed by Trump and his executives to commit the long-running fraud. Both sides submitted lengthy witness lists to the court including current and former Trump Organization employees as well as experts and representatives from lenders that did business with Trump.

Engoron’s fraud determination this week was a significant blow to Trump and his Manhattan-based real estate, hospitality and golf resort behemoth. The ruling suggests that Trump and his family may soon lose control of several properties managed by the Trump Organization. The ruling was a victory for Attorney General Letitia James (D), who had asked that Engoron simplify the upcoming trial by deciding in advance that fraud was generally committed so the state would need to prove only specific illegal acts.
I wonder if Melania will have to move. Buying a new place in Manhattan might be costly.
I think we are getting ahead of ourselves, trump lawyers is trying to appeal and delay the ruling, hoping for a lessor punishment ?
But its NYC so the odds are unlikely
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