Trump Is Making America So Goddamn Dumb

[Archon_Wing]

The idea that a dude that was born rich and still is, represents the working class, has got to be the hugest meme around.

Well, besides the wall.

 

[Berzerker]

Democrats lose basically because they are still trying to earnestly explain why their policies are good for the country.

Drugs are bad, M'kay

I dont think the drug war is good for the country or the Democrat's base

 

[Berzerker]

The idea that a dude that was born rich and still is, represents the working class, has got to be the hugest meme around.

Well, besides the wall.

Does the working class support the wall and renegotiating trade deals? Big business doesn't. Ross Perot tapped into the working class pool and was ridiculed for his 'giant sucking sound'. He shows the (a) divide in this country between the classes. Naturally the media from both Democrats and Republicans ganged up on him since Wall St was/is heavily invested in the status quo. If you're importing cheaper stuff you dont want no politician threatening tariffs. Perot started a movement and several people tried to take over the reigns when he vacated his position, Trump was one of them.

 

[stinkubus]

American was chock full of idiots long before Trump tried to fashion himself into a political figure. The problem is we let the local yokels control their own schools.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

We're not talking about physical head trauma or psychological trauma here. Nobody "makes" people dumb at such a broad level. That responsibility rests on the people in question.

Attributing the Obama Kenya thing to Trump is nearly as stupid as whatever this article is purporting. Kind of ridiculous how people can take ***** esque (and actual *****) conspiracy theories seriously. Even mainstream media does this, then they start pointing fingers at other people over "fake news" while openly lying about their practices.

 

[Farm Boy]

Strength through purity. Interesting tack.

 

[Traitorfish]

Does the working class support the wall and renegotiating trade deals? Big business doesn't.

The Trump Organisation isn't big business?

 

[Hygro]

But that breaks the culture war over if the less wealthy Trump voters are underdogs you'd like back in the fold or if they're *******. Actually, the breakdown on that roughly correlates with (inter)nationality. Huh. Weird, eh?

How bout it reinforces the culture war point that liberals are out of touch, making up stories of who voted for Trump and why?

 

[Hygro]

Democrats lose basically because they are still trying to earnestly explain why their policies are good for the country. Republicans are light-years ahead of this. The Democrats are barely figuring out framing, but Republicans have understood for decades that you don't need strong arguments or facts if you prepare the ground properly with framing.

Yes, but allow me to addend that the very nature of how people prefer their information packaged (both for themselves and what the imagine is "just fine" or "correct" for the rest) is also a dividing factor of us into our parties.

 

[Gori the Grey]

The Trump Organisation isn't big business?

It's not, actually. Donnie Deutsch is often on Morning Joe and knew him personally before he ran. He calls the Trump Organization basically a mom and pop operation.

 

[Traitorfish]

It's not, actually. Donnie Deutsch is often on Morning Joe and knew him personally before he ran. He calls the Trump Organization basically a mom and pop operation.

Are we restricting "big business" exclusively to the megacorps?

 

[Gori the Grey]

Usually, that's what I think it means. Trump is just a rich dude. There are those, even who aren't involved in big business.

I guess the reason I bother with sustaining the fine distinction is that, among Trump's many disqualifications to be president, even his one supposed qualification--that he ran a big business--isn't really true of him.

 

[Farm Boy]

How bout it reinforces the culture war point that liberals are out of touch, making up stories of who voted for Trump and why?

Well, I was guessing your edit was made to try and break that too.

 

[Hygro]

Well, I was guessing your edit was made to try and break that too.

True, the observer changes the experiment, or, narcissus should have been shown a mirror when he was a child.

 

[Archon_Wing]

Does the working class support the wall and renegotiating trade deals? Big business doesn't.

If working class = Xenophobic Jingoists, but I don't think that's confined by class. There are plenty of rich racist people.

I would say it has the common ground of lower taxes.... but then again spending billions on a wall doesn't really help with the issue.

But that is neither here nor there. He might have fooled people into thinking he's not from the swamp, but there he is.

 

[Farm Boy]

True, the observer changes the experiment, or, narcissus should have been shown a mirror when he was a child.

But they're such beautiful flowers...

 

[Lexicus]

Are we restricting "big business" exclusively to the megacorps?

The Trump Organization is basically a large impersonal corporation operated as a family corporation to avoid any kind of accountability for the people (okay, really person) who controls it.

I guess the reason I bother with sustaining the fine distinction is that, among Trump's many disqualifications to be president, even his one supposed qualification--that he ran a big business--isn't really true of him.

No need to do this. It's enough to point out that Trump has other, actually competent, people run the business for him.

 

[Gori the Grey]

The Trump Organization is basically a large impersonal corporation operated as a family corporation to avoid any kind of accountability for the people (okay, really person) who controls it.

But also because the one who controls it doesn't have the management skills to run anything bigger than a mom and pop business.

No need to do this. It's enough to point out that Trump has other, actually competent, people run the business for him.

For me it is necessary to do this, because my point is not just that Trump is incompetent, but that he's never managed anything of any size or complexity. The smallness of his former business is a separate disqualifier for his holding the office he now holds.

 

[Lexicus]

For me it is necessary to do this, because my point is not just that Trump is incompetent, but that he's never managed anything of any size or complexity. The smallness of his former business is a separate disqualifier for his holding the office he now holds.

Is this really worth talking about? Don't you think the crimes against humanity are kind of a more basic disqualifier?

 

[Gori the Grey]

Don't you think the crimes against humanity are kind of a more basic disqualifier?

Yes, of course, but

Is this really worth talking about?

Yes to this too, I'm afraid. Every one of Trump's disqualifications is worth talking about.

(And I would expect you of all people to be on board for that premise!)

The fact that he only ran a small business is in its own right a significant disqualifier, and it bears on larger matters. Trump could only run a small business because he cannot understand complex systems with interdependent parts, and that hampers every aspect of his management of domestic and foreign affairs, foreign affairs especially.