Trump nominated for Peace Prize.

[TheMeInTeam]

Ah, given the ww2 mention near it and relative popularity I thought that's where it was going, but apparently not.

 

[innonimatu]

What’s he actually nominated for? Is there anything
specific being touted?

The previous one got a prize and went on to bombing Libya to slave-market anarchy and arming islamic fanatics in Syria to almost destroy it. So... this was is nominated for not being Obama?
It would be worth it if he won and made a speech about Obama's peace prize winning wars the Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke for decades anyway.

 

[Estebonrober]

The previous one got a prize and went on to bombing Libya to slave-market anarchy and arming islamic fanatics in Syria to almost destroy it. So... this was is nominated for not being Obama?
It would be worth it if he won and made a speech about Obama's peace prize winning wars the Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke for decades anyway.

I agree that it’s a farce.

 

[Socrates99]

UAE and Bahrain would be in the win columns, if we were counting. Ignoring Yemen and speeding up AGW count as losses.
He's literally drone-striking in Somalia, obfuscating civilian causalities, and then condemning the concept of accepting Somali refugees in Michigan, so that's a huge, huge count against him.

Man, I tried to make a comprehensive list but you brought up stuff I missed. There's probably more too. The idea he has a shot is straight up crackerjacks.

 

[El_Machinae]

I don't think anyone should underestimate how important environmental concerns are to future global peace. We're at a crossroads.

 

[Phrossack]

I don't think anyone should underestimate how important environmental concerns are to future global peace. We're at a crossroads.

The crossroads was back around the year 2000. We picked the "profit for the rich now, death for everyone else later" approach. The question now is how quickly the mass deaths will occur.

 

[innonimatu]

I think it was earlier. The end of the cold war and the new world order, it was firmly established by 2000. Obama in 2008 didn't change track, did he?

 

[El_Machinae]

We picked the "profit for the rich now, death for everyone else later" approach.

We didn't pick that based on our voting. Based on our consumption, yeah we did. I pretended to try, in my defense.

 

[Phrossack]

We didn't pick that based on our voting. Based on our consumption, yeah we did. I pretended to try, in my defense.

Consumers have basically no agency for major change in a capitalist consumerist economy. It was never about individuals buying fewer things, or recycling more; it was about an entire system built from the ground up to consume as much as possible. It's not ordinary people's fault; it's the corporations and lawmakers who dealt the mortal wound.

 

[El_Machinae]

It's always funny how some people rob themselves of agency. That's a different thread, but I guess it lets people sleep at night

 

[Phrossack]

It's always funny how some people rob themselves of agency. That's a different thread, but I guess it lets people sleep at night

I think it's nearsighted and morally wrong to blame John and Jane Doe for driving a car when the system made it unfeasible to travel in any other way, and while the billionaires obliterated the environment in the pursuit of limitless wealth. You can harangue and guilt trip eight billion people all you like, but it won't get you results. Only changing the incentives and power structure of the system will do that.

 

[onejayhawk]

Its only antisemetic if you think Israel has a right to treat its arab citizens as second class. Which is exactly the description of an aprtheid state. Minority domination is what goes on here in the US. I mean we are kind of close to an apartheid state from my point of view but still. . .I know this all hurts your feelings and stuff but it still is accurate.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_the_apartheid_analogy Here is a pro and con for the analogy. The pro for the analogy lists the laws and realities on the ground, the con basically is "this is not nice to Israel".

I am not buying the idea that Muslims are oppressed in Israel. Jews have legitimate security concerns.

I agree there has been minority domination in USA. Trump's reelection will go a long ways toward fixing that.

J

 

[Angst]

It's always funny how some people rob themselves of agency. That's a different thread, but I guess it lets people sleep at night

It's pretty well documented how inefficient individual choice is, and how efficient policy making is, but yea. Sorry for answering - probably belongs in another thread.

 

[Ajidica]

And for all the criticism of Trump in modern times, FDR did more to reduce American freedoms in practice

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression--everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way--everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want--which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants-everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear--which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor--anywhere in the world.

That is no vision of a distant millennium. It is a definite basis for a kind of world attainable in our own time and generation. That kind of world is the very antithesis of the so-called new order of tyranny which the dictators seek to create with the crash of a bomb.

To that new order we oppose the greater conception--the moral order. A good society is able to face schemes of world domination and foreign revolutions alike without fear.

Since the beginning of our American history, we have been engaged in change -- in a perpetual peaceful revolution -- a revolution which goes on steadily, quietly adjusting itself to changing conditions--without the concentration camp or the quick-lime in the ditch. The world order which we seek is the cooperation of free countries, working together in a friendly, civilized society.

This nation has placed its destiny in the hands and heads and hearts of its millions of free men and women; and its faith in freedom under the guidance of God. Freedom means the supremacy of human rights everywhere. Our support goes to those who struggle to gain those rights or keep them. Our strength is our unity of purpose. To that high concept there can be no end save victory.

https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=70&page=transcript

I am not buying the idea that Muslims are oppressed in Israel. Jews have legitimate security concerns.

White South Africans had "legitimate security concerns" too. Or were White South African security services massacring black children for giggles?

 

[Lohrenswald]

I am not buying the idea that Muslims are oppressed in Israel. Jews have legitimate security concerns.

I agree there has been minority domination in USA. Trump's reelection will go a long ways toward fixing that.

J

 

[El_Machinae]

United States definitely suffers from minority domination. Not sure how shuttling even more wealth upwards helps with that, though.

 

[Farm Boy]

Cuts down on that consumption stuff by the overwashed masses.

 

[El_Machinae]

Maybe on first glance, but we'll never know. I think part of the reason people are so eager to allow the envrionment to be degraded is because they think that doing so allows them to climb out of the hole more easily.

 

[Farm Boy]

I think they neither understand nor care.

 

[El_Machinae]

Maybe you're talking to different people. I'm only in my own group of friends, but my impression of their major concern is that we 'cannot afford' to be more sustainable.