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Trump wants to buy Greenland

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by caketastydelish, Aug 22, 2019.

  1. innonimatu

    innonimatu Warlord

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    They wouldn't have had to defend with a scorched-earth policy if Napoleon hadn't invaded, would they? Or they could have surrendered and start serving some relative of Napoleon as ruler while he sacked the place, because that was the kind of peace treaty Napoleon went for. I don't blame them for resisting in the best possible, and as it turned out effective, way. I do blame Napoleon for all his wars.

    The french also absolutely wrecked the Iberian Peninsula, razing entire cities for resisting. Would you say that their victims were to blame for having resisted the invaders?
    As a warmonger, Napoleon was worse that a Hitler of the 19th century: he had opportunities for peace, had peace treaties done, and constantly went about breaking the treaties and starting new wars, because he was utterly unable to scale down his imperial ambitions. And as a destructive force in Europe he came near. The french "republic" like to talk the nice talk (human rights, yeah...) but their actions were the opposite even before Napoleon.
     
  2. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    First of all there were certain codes of warfares that the great powers generally adhered too at that time, the term gurellia warfare actual comes from the Spanish campaign a brutal and botched war where rules were pretty much were abandoned by both sides pretty quickly. A similar thing occurred during the Russian campaign by the end of it, Russians would be slaughtering French POWs

    That said the Russian stratergy was pretty much the right one, Napolean made mistake after mistake, from not halting once he took smolenks (sp?) to over staying in Moscow, to retreating over the same route, to underestimating the Russians army
    And lets not forget that Russia also started the war because it wanted to retain its Polish conquests.

    Because its not tyranny when Ivan annexes other countries clay.
     
  3. stfoskey12

    stfoskey12 Emperor of Foskania

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    So we can get ahead of Canada (and indisputably ahead of China) in the land area rankings. /s
     
  4. red_elk

    red_elk Warlord

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    The claim that it was Russians who were burning their cities, definitely sounds like Napoleon had nothing to do with it. I doubt it even requires refutation.

    Like he had a choice.
     
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  5. Marla_Singer

    Marla_Singer United in diversity

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    Alright I won't insist but what you say here is just factually wrong. It's not France which started the European wars, but the European Aristocracy which formed 7 coalitions to get rid of a model of society that was threatening their social rule.

    It was a matter of survival for so many people, and there was no opportunity for peace precisely for that reason. If the Russian Aristocracy was ready to burn down their own capital city just to deprive Napoleon's army from any chance of a supply, that just proves how determined they were to never sign peace. The wars lasted 20 years for a reason, turning so ugly and being retriggered 7 times despite multiple capitulations and peace agreements which never lasted very long.

    As for saying "Napoleon was worse than Hitler", you really need to put aside the ideological aspect of the conflict to say something that strong. As a matter of fact, even if the French revolution has indeed been quashed military speaking in 1815, its ideas actually prevailed in the following decades.
     
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  6. Valka D'Ur

    Valka D'Ur Hosting Iron Pen in A&E Retired Moderator

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    Why so much? It's just a great big knickknack in need of constant maintenance, at this point. It doesn't have the same meaning as it once did, given how much antipathy the current regime there has to any would-be immigrant who is the wrong color/religion/socioeconomic status.

    I've paid lots for it in Civ games, but only because I want the points for Wonders.

    The Washington Post article speculated offering $20 TRILLION - 10 for the Queen, and 10 to be divvied up among every Canadian citizen. Someone on the CBC.ca comment board said that amount should really be doubled, since the amount we'd get wouldn't even buy a house in a lot of cities.

    So because people were sold to other countries along with the land before, we should continue allowing it now? :huh:

    That's a sound strategy in Civ when you're in a tight spot.
     
  7. red_elk

    red_elk Warlord

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    I doubt that burning down St. Petersburg by Russian Aristocracy would deprive Napoleon's army of anything. May be delay his advance a bit due to astonishment.
    As for Moscow, the fire started after French army entered the city and begun pillaging it. Whether it was a Russian plot or "carelessness" of French soldiers is not 100% established.

    He was hated by common folks too. The fact that he got his ass kicked was in no small part result of partisan war and peasants sabotage.
     
  8. Lexicus

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    I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous. What positive stuff did Hitler leave behind? Napoleon rationalized and modernized the administration of large swathes of Europe, sweeping away the old feudal restrictions and privileges. His legal code informed the systems of law still used across much of the world today. His campaigns and battles are still studied in military academies around the world.

    And this is a distortion of history as well. The truth is that Alexander would have been happy enough living at peace with Napoleon after Eylau but he invaded Russia because of his obsession with sealing off Europe from British trade. It was his invasion that created the Russian determination not to make peace with him under any circumstances.

    Honestly I think it is tantamount to Holocaust denial to claim that Napoleon is worse than Hitler.
     
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  9. HiRezAudio

    HiRezAudio Chieftain

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    And you believe this nonsense?
    Sheesh, sheesh and sheesh again.
     
  10. Truthy

    Truthy Non-boolean

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    I think he meant worse specifically with respect to military aggression; i.e., Napoleon was more of a warmonger than Hitler, but Hitler was worse overall.
     
  11. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Trump answers to his crazy voter base who doesn't even know where Greenland is, or what it is. They read his tweets and that's how America keeps on chugging along
     
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  12. Socrates99

    Socrates99 Bottoms up!

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    A result of lead in the water and defunding education.
     
  13. Truthy

    Truthy Non-boolean

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    I think the Mercator projection is to blame for this whole thing
     
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  14. Socrates99

    Socrates99 Bottoms up!

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    Hes exactly the kind of guy who'd look at a map and go "Wow look at how much land I'd be adding! It's Yuge!"
     
  15. Lexicus

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    Maybe so. But I stand by what I said; I will note that it doesn't necessarily apply to what inno said.
     
  16. Truthy

    Truthy Non-boolean

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    If you look, they're coming out with all these new maps. The Peters and a hella of a lot more. Making America SMALLER because some people, I don't know who, think it's politically correct. All these countries no one's ever heard of are HUGE... but America is small. They didn't have these maps when I was in school. But just like that they're making America smaller. Very fishy. We're looking into it.
     
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  17. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    relativising the holocaust to own the libs.
     
  18. Lexicus

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    Napoleon and Hitler were both megalomaniacs whose early successes made them believe they could do anything.
     
  19. EnglishEdward

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    I don't know why the Donald suggested buying Greenland.

    My theories are:

    (a) he'd heard that global warming was melting the ice, and though he could install some golfing greens in the becoming greenland;
    (b) he'd heard that China was buying up rare earth mines in Africa, and didn't want them to beat the USA to the rare earths in Greenland;
    (c) it was a Trumpian compliment.

    As for Napoleon being worse than Hitler. Well unlike Napoleon, Hitler never got around to
    invading Portuagl, so that is a legitimate, albeit subjective perspective, from the Portuguese.
     
  20. innonimatu

    innonimatu Warlord

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    French national assembly: let's recognize the right of slaves in (present-day) Haiti to freedom (they kicked out asses anyway). Napoleon: let's re-enslave them (try and fail, but keep them miserable ever after). I rest my case against Napoleon being a liberator or anything, though I could go on and on.

    the holocaust was not warmongering, it was another level. But don't bother to read what I wrote before sending a barb.
     

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