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Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Birdjaguar, Jan 30, 2021.

  1. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    I expect that Trump and his family will have myriad legal issues going forward. Here is a place to keep them all in one place.

    Legal Pressure on Trump Increases With Judge’s Order in Fraud Inquiry

    The order, answering a demand for documents by New York’s attorney general, rejected a bid to shield the records with attorney-client privilege.



    Former President Donald J. Trump’s Seven Springs family estate in Westchester County, N.Y., is one focus of an investigation by New York’s attorney general. Credit...Tony Cenicola/The New York Times
    By Ed Shanahan and William K. Rashbaum
    • Published Jan. 29, 2021Updated Jan. 30, 2021, 9:03 a.m. ET
     
  2. EnglishEdward

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    I am sure that occurred but so what; that sort of thing is very nearly the norm in the millionnaire/corporate world.
     
  3. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    But it is a crime and Trump has enemies in NY. Leona Helmsley and Marthat Stewart both did jail time for their crimes. Martha did time for insider trading and Leona for:

    She later had her sentenced reduced.
     
  4. Quintillus

    Quintillus Archiving Civ3 Content Supporter

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    I'll be happy to read less about Trump the next four years, so I probably won't be following him as closely going forward. Nevertheless...

    The top two defense lawyers for Trump's impeachment trial have parted ways with him, just over a week before the trial starts, citing differences of opinion on the direction of the case.

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    My expectation was that the lawyers wanted to do something orthodox and sensible, and Trump wants to do something unorthodox. My hope is that is backfires on him enough to convince 17 or more Republicans to vote to convict him. Which should be a foregone conclusion given what happened on January 6th, but it remains to be seen if enough Republicans believe in the Constitution for that to happen.

    If you let anyone who does that walk off scot-free, without even trying to prosecute them for it, you're essentially giving a green light to corruption. And the more corruption you have, the less trust people have not only in their government, but in their fellow citizens at large.

    There definitely are loopholes, and we as a society should work to close those, but if you can prove someone did it and they don't have any loopholes to hide behind, you should prosecute them.
     
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  5. Bamspeedy

    Bamspeedy CheeseBob

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    Allegedly the defense team wanted to pursue the 'unconstitutional to impeach a former president' angle. He wanted to instead continue the 'election was stolen' angle.

    5 lawyers have now quit, it sounds like there is nobody left.
    There's got to be some quack lawyer like Guiliani out there willing to pursue a losing case, despite not likely to get paid....
     
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  6. Birdjaguar

    Birdjaguar Hanafubuki Retired Moderator Supporter

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    Aren't there some GOP House members who are attorneys? :lol: How about Sydney Powell? I bet she is looking for work.
     
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  7. amadeus

    amadeus Civ2 / Law and Order!

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    Works on contingency?
    No, money down!
     
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  8. EnglishEdward

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    I don't see that putting different values on the same assets is in itself either corruption or a crime.

    In fact as there are a number of quite legitimate different ways of assigning values to real estate;
    historic cost, estimated current market value, from profits being made; that sort of thing is inevitable.

    The banks could maintain the values were so out of line that it meant that loans obtained on them
    were fraudulent, but the banks are expected to employ their own experts to check against customers
    putting up inflated values so they have shot themselve in the foot by not undertaking due diligence.

    If the values put to the tax man were unreasonable, then the tax revenue service could well win the argument
    for a recaclulation and recovery of back tax; but in my mind to secure a criminal conviction, they would have
    to prove intent to evade by Donald Trump who need only argue that his accountants must have got it wrong.

    There is also the identity of the party here, it may well be demonstrable that one of the Donald Trump companies
    was acting illegally, but proving that Donald Trump himself knowingly directed it is a separate matter.

    I would also argue that there is a higher problem, in that taxes are traditionally paid by profitable companies.
    If it turns out that the entire Trump empire was unprofitable, then little taxes would be due.

    To me, the most likely successful course of action would be to demonstrate that upon realising that certain
    companies were going to go bankrupt he illegally transferred (embezzled) money from those companies
    to his other companies before their collapse thereby profiting while the other investors faced an increased loss.

    Now I am not saying that Donald Trump is innocent. I have stated in these threads that I regarded him
    as a not untypical corporate fraudster, and that was one of the three reasons why I, if eligible
    (I was not) would not have voted for him, but the case against him needs to be made very carefully.

    Assuming his guilt is obvious is an unwise prosecuting tactic; for instance the impeachment case re
    the Ukraine failed because, amongst other thing such as a bipartisan split, it was not entirely sound.
     
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  9. GenMarshall

    GenMarshall Night Elven Ghost Agent

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    I wouldn’t count all your eggs before they hatch. He may be out of the picture now, it’s anyone’s guess what could happen between now and 2024.
     
  10. Birdjaguar

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    Scottish lawmakers push to investigate Trump golf course financing

    LONDON — Lawmakers in Scotland are demanding that the government investigate former president Donald Trump and the Trump Organization to learn the source of the funds used to purchase a pair of golf courses.

     
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    These unexplained wealth orders have been used successfully twice, most famously for the wife of the former chairman of the International Bank of Azerbaijan who is doing porridge for fraud, embezzlement, and missappropriation of public funds. She spent £16.3 million at Harrods. She fought it for years, I would be amazed if they pin it on trump, this is a green MSP who does not have a whole lot of power.
     
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    House impeachment manager asks Trump to testify for his Senate trial, a request he may decline

    Feb. 4, 2021 at 11:28 a.m. MST
    Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), the lead House impeachment manager, asked former president Donald Trump on Thursday to provide testimony under oath “either before or during” his Senate trial scheduled next week. In a letter, Raskin asked for testimony about Trump’s conduct Jan. 6 when a pro-Trump mob stormed the Capitol in a deadly assault.

    During his first major foreign policy speech, President Biden on Thursday will announce an end to U.S. support for offensive operations in Yemen and a freeze on troop redeployments from Germany, an aide said. The announcements are part of an address at the State Department that aides say will signal a desire to strengthen alliances and reengage with multinational institutions.

    Here’s what to know:
    • Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) said on the House floor Thursday that Democrats are planning to “crucify me in the public square for words that I said a few years ago.” She spoke in advance of a planned vote to expel her from her committees in response to comments questioning the veracity of school shootings, encouraging political violence and promoting anti-Semitic falsehoods.
    • A Senate committee is holding a hearing on the nomination of Marty Walsh as labor secretary. Another committee advanced the nomination of Linda Thomas-Greenfield as U.S. ambassador to the United Nations. And a third committee plans votes on Marcia Fudge as secretary of housing and urban development and Cecilia Rouse as chair of the Council of Economic Advisers.
    • Biden addressed a virtual National Prayer Breakfast in a videotaped message in which he talked about the value of faith in dark times. The living former presidents, with the exception of Trump, also participated.
    • House Republicans voted 145 to 61 to reject a call for the resignation of Rep. Liz Cheney (Wyo.) from her leadership position for voting Jan. 13 to impeach Trump.
    • Got a burning politics question, or just something you’re curious about? Today at noon, the Fix team chats with readers about the big stories in politics.
    11:28 a.m.

    Impeachment managers call Trump to testify for his trial
    By Karoun Demirjian

    Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) (Salwan Georges/The Washington Post)
    Lead House impeachment manager Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.) officially requested that former president Donald Trump testify under oath about his involvement in the events that led to the Capitol riot on Jan. 6.

    The letter, which Raskin sent to Trump’s lawyers Thursday, comes two days after the president’s legal team filed papers with the Senate disputing many of the factual allegations in the House managers’ case. It invites Trump to testify either before or during his actual impeachment trial, which is set to begin in the Senate on Tuesday, Feb. 9 -- with the recommendation he do so between Monday, Feb. 8 and Thursday Feb. 11.

    "If you decline this invitation, we reserve any and all rights, including the right to establish at trial that your refusal to testify supports a strong adverse inference regarding your actions (and inaction) on January 6, 2021,” Raskin warned in his letter, asking for a response by Friday at 5 p.m.

    The House managers do not have independent authority to subpoena Trump if he denies the request.

    In the letter, Raskin pointed out that former presidents Gerald Ford and Bill Clinton had both testified to Congress while in office, “so there is no doubt that you can testify in these proceedings.” Raskin also pointed out that since Trump is no longer in office, and since the Supreme Court has already ruled that the president is not immune to legal proceedings for decisions he made during his tenure in office, he has no excuse to decline.

    “We therefore anticipate your availability to testify,” Raskin wrote.

    Representatives for Trump did not immediately respond to a request for comment
     
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    Georgia Prosecutors Open Criminal Inquiry Into Trump’s Efforts to Subvert Election
    State officials are being instructed to preserve documents related to “attempts to influence” the Georgia election, just weeks after former President Donald J. Trump asked an elections official to “find” votes.

     
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    Just after Trump was elected, I watched a brilliant Dutch documentary by Zembla, one of their better investigative teams. @Hrothbern might disagree with that.
    In that doco, they detailed many of Trump's shady associates, including the remarkable Felix Sater. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Sater

    They showed that Trump and his associates set up hundreds, possibly a couple of thousand companies in Amsterdam where it was a very easy process at the time.
    The Bayrock Group LLC was just one of many "wheels within wheels".

    There seemed to be many avenues for potential prosecutions coming out of those programs.
    Has anyone seen other reputable investigations of his financial dealings they'd be willing to recommend?

    Zembla's three 40-minute efforts are:


     
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    I do not disagree with Zembla being good investigative background journalism.
    They are there since the 90ies and it was set up in the tradition of showing more than just the surface news by the public broadcaster association the VARA, "de Vereninging van Arbeiders Radio Amateurs" (Association of Workers Radio Amateurs), founded just after WW1. A traditional Social-Democratic association that moved with time and is still the voice of Leftish.
    The other Dutch broadcaster delivering good investigative background journalism is the VPRO, founded also just after WW1, and originally the pillar of free-minded radical Christians (Protestants not accepting the obedience structure of the establishment and aimed at emancipating in the full sense of that word).
    Both broadcasters are gadflies in the Dutch (establishment) consensus society, and produce often well-documented inconvenient truths for governments, political parties and civil society entities and do report well on foreign countries with special attention for the big powers.
    The investigative Dutch platform "Follow the Money" is another gadfly. I just checked whether they had someting on these Trump associated companies in Amsterdam. Nothing on that though the deliver continuous coverage on Trump and shady international business since 2011.
     
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    Here about the doc of Zembla this evening on Dutch TV.
    An echo of that Royal affair in the UK, that there is besides the Royal consent apparently on top also a Queen's consent... and also because of some PR bloopers of our King regarding following loyally the Covid restrictions we all face (and not fly with the royal airplane to that nice mansion somewhere in Greece while we are trapped in our smaller housings).

    An update of the 'Royal constructions'. Zembla is investigating the preferential treatment that the government uses when it comes to the royal family. She discovers how the family deals with important cultural heritage. She also reveals the details of a controversial subsidy scheme that will yield King Willem-Alexander 4.7 million euros. While the government states that it treats the king the same as any other citizen, Zembla shows that there has been preferential treatment for years. This broadcast was first broadcast in May 2020 and caused a lot of stirring. Have the government and the King been more open since then?
     
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    This link provides a pretty good overview of Trumps NY State tax investigation scope. It explains the allegations made by the NYT and how/why they are likely fraudulent.

    https://www.ais-cpa.com/tax-fraud-by-the-numbers-the-trump-timeline/
     
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    Thank you.

    I have read the article . It presents the evidence for fraud quite well.

    But then I suspect the majority of the millionnaire/billionnaire class are doing much of that too.

    I still think impeachment is the best way to go.
     
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    I don't know where to post this.

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...chment-trial-republican-lawyers-b1801239.html

     
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    Just thinking out loud here, but I've been half-listening to the arguments in the impeachment trial this week, and there are a couple of details that, I would think, favor a conviction: An impeachment trial is not a criminal trial, and barring Donald from running for office in the future because he abused the office and failed to uphold his oath the first time is not a restriction on his freedom of speech. I'll probably (half-)listen to the defense today, and I'm curious whether they'll address either point.
     
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