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Tsar or Czar???

Discussion in 'World History' started by CivLuvah, Jan 20, 2009.

  1. CivLuvah

    CivLuvah Warlord

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    What's the difference of the words tsar & czar? Are they the same or different????
     
  2. Dachs

    Dachs Emissary of Hell

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    They're different transliterations of the same word. I prefer tsar over czar because tsar is a corruption of tsesar, the Russian version of the word caesar (from which kaiser - German - and kaisar - Greek - also descend).
     
  3. sydhe

    sydhe King of Kongs

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    About the only difference is that in American, when the President appoints someone to supervise some aspect of the economy, he's always referred to as "czar" not "tsar." For example, "Energy Czar," "Car Czar."
     
  4. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    цар is the only correct version. ;)

    There's no difference between the different transliterations.
     
  5. red_elk

    red_elk Warlord

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    http://www.bartleby.com/61/87/C0848700.html
     
  6. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    I think "Czar" is the American preference, while "Tsar" tends to be used in Western Europe, although the two are more or less interchangeable, and you'll occasionally see "Csar" or "Tzar" as well. I assume one of them is a more accurate transliteration, although I'm not sure which, especially given that Westerners generally pronounce it with a "z" anyway.
    Red Elk's link implies that "Tsar" is more accurate, though, given the alternate pronunciation as "tsär".
     
  7. Civfan333

    Civfan333 full metal alchemist

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    I use Tsar, so it be the right one!

    but really, they just different translations of same word.
     
  8. Bugfatty300

    Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel

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    "Czar" is used for several positions in the US government.

    From my experience when ever someone is referring to the emperor of Russia they use "Tsar."
     
  9. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    "Tsar" is the word that easily predicts the correct pronounciation, so I choose that.
     
  10. jeps

    jeps Arcadefire

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    Does it really matter?

    May God bless and keep the [Czar/Tsar]...... Far away from us!
     
  11. againsttheflow

    againsttheflow unpolitically uncorrect

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    If I were a rich man, yubba dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dibby dum
     
  12. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Chieftain

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    I prefer Tsar, Because in Polish, Czar would be pronounced Char.
     
  13. Lone Wolf

    Lone Wolf Chieftain

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    Царь. The "ь" indicates that the "р" sound in the end is "soft".
     
  14. ~Corsair#01~

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    I would use Tsar always since its closer to the English pronounciation.

    "Czar" just makes me think it pronounced Kzar, or possibly Char because of how Czechoslovakia is pronounced.

    I do use Czarina for the lady Tsars though. I think this is just because I see the word Czarina much more often than Tsarina. I just saw that it has nearly 4x as many hits on google too.

    Strangely, Czar has 8 million hits compared to only 4 million for Tsar even I though I've very rarely seen it used. Must be because of the media's preferences.
     
  15. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    the word czar means other things in polish, and possibly other languages - which would explain some of the hits
     
  16. TheLastOne36

    TheLastOne36 Chieftain

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    Your getting your slavs confused :nono:, Czechs are Western Slavs, Russians are Eastern slavs, the languages are completely different. a Comparison like that is a poor one.
     
  17. Pannonius

    Pannonius Reconquistador

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    Americans can't pronounce it right anyway, so it's all the same...
     
  18. CivLuvah

    CivLuvah Warlord

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    Let's just disregard the Western Slav version of pronunciation & the Eastern Slav. Just the meaning. Can we get a real Russian to ask this question???????
    Or does that mean that the words "tsar" & "czar" are the same & it depends on what your refering to? I use "czar" for a Russian monarch since that it looks fancy & Western, just like probably Peter the Great used to describe himself.
     
  19. CivLuvah

    CivLuvah Warlord

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    Yes it does matter. Depends on the ideology of the person.
     
  20. Lone Wolf

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    He took the title of the Emperor.

    Completely the same, different transliterations on the same word.
     

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