TSG 266 Opening Actions

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This thread is used to discuss the game's opening decisions and strategies through the first 100 or so turns. Here you can post questions related to the game and share your achievements/anger/frustration/victories while you play.

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- What did you think about before starting the game, what was your approach to this game?
- What tech path did you follow and why?
- What Social Policies did you choose?
- Did you get a religion? What religious beliefs did you pick?
 
The previous two GotM games I was quite pleased with my play (although #265 everyone seemed to beat my game by a couple of turns), but this game not so much. On the one hand, I had been looking forward to a new GotM, on the other hand, I was a bit distracted tonight by other matters, and should maybe have postponed my play for a better result.

The start was pretty good. I saw nothing nearby to tempt me to move, so I settled in place and scouted east with my warrior, so fortunately I first-discovered El Dorado (it's always a kick in the teeth if you find El Dorado nearby but you are not the first to discover it). I dithered a little with settling the second city, using the settler to scout for more fish, but in the end I settled in range of El Dorado, as I wanted One with Nature after finding Kilimanjaro. Then, the errors started to creep in.

First of all, I was not sure what I wanted to do. Go for three cities, four, or even five? Go for wonders, and which ones (Portugal went for GL quite early (and then the other GL later in the game)), but apart from that the AIs were not wonder spamming too much. Next, I decided to settle a second coastal, but the way was barred by a barbarian (poor play not to have an escort unit around) - and then my settler got captured because the barbarian had the Kilimanjaro promotion. I did not lose too much time recapturing my settler, and in the end I opted for a standard 4-city tradition play.

The next minor (?) error with huge consequences was that a barbarian galley pillaged first one, and then consequently the other coastal trade route. That's a lot of turns of early game production wasted, plus it took really long to be able to get them back. Finally, I was pretty short on workers. I did manage a few steals from the AI, but I still have too many unimproved tiles, and no city connections, meaning my gold was poor all game long. Funnily enough (or actually not that funny), the AI refused to trade me anything good in peace deals. I know the AI needs to have at least one city in order to offer a 'plus peace deal', but even though they did, they did not consider my standing good enough to offer me anything for peace (to be fair, my game is pretty slow). Even selling a luxury for 240 or even 200 gold was not accepted. Out of frustration I offered my copper for 5 gold in a peace deal, and finally it was accepted ("I must accept"), so I know the mechanism of selling in peace deals still worked. Only in the end did Indonesia offer me Surabaya - or 670 gold.

About the map, I read that it was pangaea plus, which I know has islands, so I suppose all the city states have been IGE'ed off to the islands, because I did not find any - which also contributed to my slow start I suppose. The screenshot below shows that I am on course for a sizzling T04 NC. The game is not all bad, though. Babylon got the Hanging Gardens, which is good because it's not on fresh water, and my expand built a very late Temple of Artemis.

One final thought: the nearby capitals of Moscow, Jakarta and Amsterdam are pretty decent cities, and all on flatland. Perhaps I have approached this all wrong, and I should have gone for a bowman rush instead (I almost still can, the AI does not have many defenses yet).

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Such cynisism! The AI built so many units before getting a single worker out. You would almost think they didn’t trust their neighbour…

Apart from a lack of worker supply :rolleyes: I had other problems too. Like @The_Black_Vegetable I lost 2 food transports. I had two triremes for protection to begin with, but couldn’t resist the urge to use them for exploration. I later aldo lost a food transport to Greece too.

I also bought a settler and settled a coastal Eldorado town for the 500 bonus. I got the Great Library and took philosophy, although I wasn’t able to finish NC until 20 turns later.

Pantheon was the one who gives a 15% wonder discount.
 
- What did you think about before starting the game, what was your approach to this game?
That there was gonna be a twist because of 1 april. Like @The_Black_Vegetable i guessed quite early that all the CS were gonna be hidden somewhere in the ocean. So I built 2 trireme quite early. 1 sent west and 1 sent east. To the west I got stuck and couldn't go past Greece. To the east i first found the cultural CS, then got stuck on carthage and went back and found 2 more CS. Then triremes were on protection of internal trade route. I just got civil service and can have open borders so i'm sending 1 to go past carthage. I got some CS quests that will be finished soon. I sent 1 bowman towards the camp in the ice all the way south.

- What tech path did you follow and why?
Writing asap to plant GS. Then focus on luxuries, embarkation, iron, sadly none :(, tech for hanging gardens, civil service, and now focus on universities.

- What Social Policies did you choose?
Full tradition and open patronage.

- Did you get a religion? What religious beliefs did you pick?
One with nature + tithe and pagoda's. The pagoda's are desperately needed for happiness. Already bought 1 pagoda. My next prophet i'll have to choose between spreading or extend religion. If I can still get mosques i will probably extend.

The start of this game is happiness difficult. I wanted the natural wonder spots, but they didn't have luxes. Luckily nippur has 2 unique luxes. I already have 1 lux trade going, really hoping for more.
I did get lucky with workers, i stole a bunch of workers and settlers from jakarta.

Wonders i only got hanging gardens and soon probably chichen itza. TOA sadly went to someone else while i didn't want to spend my pathetic hammers on it early.

I'm still contemplating sending a settler west to a spot that gets sugar + gems. And capturing russia and dutch capital seems juicy indeed as black_vegetable said.

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Not a terrible start for me. I always struggle a bit when I have no city-states to play with. I found the 2 Natural Wonders really early so I decided to go Liberty and just settle them immediately. I didn't want to build the early Settlers/Workers because I wanted to focus on Great Library, which I used to unlock Theology.
I also have Oracle for some Scientist Points since I figure it might be useful for Babylon. Printing Press is really closeby so the clock is about to start ticking on me. I have One with Nature, mostly because I feel like I might need a religion for the World Religion boost. So far I've only found 3 City-States, one of which has been my ally for a while now (Kyzyl). Besides that I've built some early bowmen to ''negotiate'' some gold from the other civs in the game. I'm currently at war with the Netherlands, since they have ToA, I might just finish them off. I got my Liberty finisher and opened Patronage just because, but I don't think I'll hit Printing Press in time before my next policy. I'm also building Chichen Itza for fluff, because I just came back from vacation in Mexico 2 days ago and I'm still jetlagged.

Hopefully I am able to continue ''negotiating'' with the other Civs because I have a lot of city-states to befriend and gold to earn.

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Giving this the old college try

My first 3 cities pretty much are in same place QontroL's are...only Akkad different as it's two spots farther SE on the hill. Which was good as Greece declared on me. Think hill saved me.

I put my 4th city due E of Nippur to get that great city site. I was going Liberty and plan to get as many cities as I can. Got religious trait for Pagodas so that will help a lot.

My 5th city I put NE of Babylon on river where more copper and cattle are. Not great but keeps Catherine out of my area and had plans to settle eastward so gives a path.

I founded Judaism. Going with gold trade routes to build up the treasure chest.

I had found maybe 3 or 4 C/s at this point.

How do I do screenshots in game?
 
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