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Tuning Religion Founder Beliefs Round 2

Discussion in 'General Balance' started by CrazyG, Mar 8, 2017.

  1. randomnub

    randomnub Prince

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    Do you have any data on how many successful (winner) AIs didn't found? And how many of those peacefully adopted another religion, without conquering an Holy CIty?
     
  2. LukaSlovenia29

    LukaSlovenia29 Emperor

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    Perhaps we could crowd-think to an average amount of benefits we get from an average game with a given founder. Or if someone could create a spreadsheet with more exact numbers.

    @Gazebo , do you perhaps have any AI numbers/correlation between individual Founders/Enhancers and game winners?
     
  3. phantomaxl1207

    phantomaxl1207 King

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    Took Council of Elders as Maya and easily spread my Religion with Pacifism. Managed to spread to around ~35 Cities. Seemed rather potent once I started getting 100+ :c5science:/:c5production: per City spread. Would argue that is what is intended for investing in the effort to Found and Spread.

    Taking the sum of arithmetic series should get us (35/2) * (6+210) = 35*108 = 280+3500 = 3750.
     
  4. Gazebo

    Gazebo Lord of the Community Patch Supporter

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    Not really, though in general the strongest civs are the ones who conquer a holy city (and spread it), not founders, as its a double-whammy of conquering + 'founding.'

    G
     
  5. randomnub

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    WoT has been a weird beast since the per-city update. Delaying Classical until you get a religion nets you 10yields per type, and even the next era yields are low when you really hurt yourself by not rushing Medieval (due to how per era scaling works for everything), so limited spreading before that. I have yet to try it with the per era scaling, but before that it wasn't looking promising at all.

    That has been my experience as well, especially if I can have a saying in what beliefs I can pick and conquer the Holy City before enhancing, with a base-cost prophet. Bonus points if the founder decided to use some more early faith spread to me, playing the nice neighbour. I typically focus on religion only if I really want to keep my pantheon, and the nearby one is junk.

    It boils down to how many resources are necessary to join the Founders Club and how little yields the founder beliefs provide before late eras and a lot of spreading.
     
  6. ElliotS

    ElliotS Warmonger

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    No no no no no! Please no!

    WoT is terrible when it doesn't scale with era. Nerf the yields a bit if it's OP, but don't remove that please. I feel like we got a very clear idea that WoT is terrible when it's not era scaling.
     
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  7. LukaSlovenia29

    LukaSlovenia29 Emperor

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    Ok. I'm fine with that, it's one of my favourite beliefs anyway, so I'm ok with it remaining very strong.
     

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