Turkey in Civilization

[Berke I.]

I think there shall be Turkey in Civilization.
Ottomans were defeated in I. World War and Mustafa Kemal Atatürk formed Turkey on 29 October 1923. The rest is known I think, so we are, as Turks, want to play as Turks.
It may be named as Turks; not Ottomans nor Turkey or something else.
Hope it'll happen.

 

[Onionsoilder]

There are very few modern civilizations in Civilization, Turkey included. Where is Mexico? It's the Aztecs. What about Iraq? Well, that's Babylon. While I see where you're coming from, I just don't think it's going to happen. In fact, I think the U.S. is the only modern nation in the game. Sure, they're France, England, Japan, China, etc., but they are all really old civilizations that have simply withstood the test of time.

 

[Turquoiside]

Turkey hasn't done anything yet. Despite keeping itself together, I can't think of anything big.
The Ottomans are the correct term as they refer to the empire that defeated Arabia and Byzantium, and withstood with some success ,the Mongol rampage.

 

[Berke I.]

Both Ottoman Empire and Turkey are Turks.
Having a history in the same territory doesn't mean they are from the same race.
And i didn't meant Turkey must be in the game, what I told was there should be "Turks", not Ottomans or Turkey or else.
whatever..

 

[Ormur]

Modern Turkey was the core of the Ottoman empire and is the closest thing to it's successor. Adding modern Turkey would be redundant. Calling it the Ottoman empire in game is just using the name used during it's great power era. The Ottoman empire certainly belongs in the game but modern Turkey on it's own would hardly qualify. Civilizations like France and Spain are in the game because of their historic great power status, they just didn't go through a name change.

I suggest you change the XML file for the Ottoman empire if you want to play as Turkey. New leaders can also be added if you want Kemal Atatürk in the game.

 

[CossackProblem]

The "German" empires kind of overlap in this game, but they're both historically significant on their own. As are the Ottomans and the Byzantines.

There isn't much significance to be found in the modern Turkish state.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

There are very few modern civilizations in Civilization, Turkey included. Where is Mexico? It's the Aztecs. What about Iraq? Well, that's Babylon. While I see where you're coming from, I just don't think it's going to happen. In fact, I think the U.S. is the only modern nation in the game. Sure, they're France, England, Japan, China, etc., but they are all really old civilizations that have simply withstood the test of time.

America's probably in the game due to where the game's made, although significance in modern history certainly plays a role.

The closest thing I can think of to the US in terms of a "modern" civ is the Netherlands ("Dutch EMPIRE" - I love how they're all empires in civ ). They're about 200 years older than the US basically? Most of the others have had their name a long, long time that are included.

 

[Sian]

yeah ... Dutch and US are some of the only civs which doesn't have a long history ... but both have had extensive importance ... Dutch colonized a lot of the world ('only' losing out on the american continent)

 

[caixz]

all right, the question is just like Japan want to be one of the permanents member of un security council, it does not depend on whether it's justified, but the power. Since Turkey is not a powerful country in the world ever since, in the game, it has been ignore. just like most country in the world.

 

[Ai Shizuka]

So you want Turkey in the game beacause you are Turk.

I'm Italian, but I don't want my country in the game. The Romans are way better to represent this land, as are the Ottomans for Turkey.

I think Benito Mussolini would be an...interesting leader, though.

 

[CHEESE!]

I think that America, Mao's China, Stalin's USSR, and Bismark's Germany are the only modern civs that really should be in Civ. You have to admit, Turkey is MUCH less significant than the Ottomans under Mehmed and Süleyman in the Middle ages and Renessaince (wow that took ages to spell. Don't even think I got it right.)


EDIT: You can change names, so you could pick Ottomans, change name to Atatürk, and change civ name to Turkey. Then you have the cities ready-named.

 

[AfterShafter]

Would you settle for turkey as a food resource?

(sorry, bad joke)

 

[Solomwi]

Guys, I think you're missing his point. He doesn't want modern Turkey in the game alongside the Ottomans. He wants modern Turkey, the Ottomans and the other Turkic peoples and nations throughout history represented as one civilization: the Turks. As in the Ottomans, Seljuks, Uighurs, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Cumans, etc., from the Central Asian steppe to modern Turkey. It's not a bad idea, as it would basically just add Turkic, non-Ottoman possibilities for leaders and cities.

 

[misercola]

Eventhough Turkey hasn't been as significant in modern times as the US, China, or Stalin's Russia, and even if the OP did mean the he wanted a civ to combine all the Turkic people, why would it be so bad to have slightly less significant modern counties or civs included?

I think it would allow for more "what if" possibilities. Wanna conquer the world with Switzerland?? No problem. Wanna win a space race victory with modern Mexico? Go to it. It would also be interesting to see what UUs and UBs would be included with such civs. Different and new civilizations help to the game fresh, for me at least.

Just for the record, I'm not suggesting that these things should be added into the "official" game, but I would definitely play a mod that included a greater selection of more modern, if less significant, civs.

Maybe that's just me...

 

[PutCashIn]

Sorry I was laughing over the turkey pic to read any posts after that, but has anybody pointed out the Vikings/Dutch paradox?

They got in the game because they brought your Apache's, be honest!

Anyways, Berke I. , it would be nice for any modern civ with a secular government to be represented in Civ4 just because we know we're so much more awsome! but alot of players may feel that there's already too many Civ's that HAVENT yet stood 'The test of Time,' they most likely dont want anymore Civ's in there that 'water down the experience.'

Sorry for so many phrases.

 

[macmert]

Ottoman empire is considered "ottomans" right? just like china is considered "chinese"

Now there is a terminology mix up, the name of the race is Turk... But Ottoman is the ruler of the Ottoman empire, or called "Osmanlı" in Turkish... the name comes from the ruler family, so "Ottomans" should be called as "Turks"

But I feel Ottoman Empire represents Turk race, but some mods or scenarios let you play with Turkey or Ismet Inonu as the leader...

and that Turkey pic might be considered offensive to some of the Turks, I am also Turk but I am not offended, but I have to agree that it is a bad joke

 

[Berke I.]

Guys, I think you're missing his point. He doesn't want modern Turkey in the game alongside the Ottomans. He wants modern Turkey, the Ottomans and the other Turkic peoples and nations throughout history represented as one civilization: the Turks. As in the Ottomans, Seljuks, Uighurs, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, Cumans, etc., from the Central Asian steppe to modern Turkey. It's not a bad idea, as it would basically just add Turkic, non-Ottoman possibilities for leaders and cities.

One guy, only one guy understand my idea.

In the game, England -England Empire, Ottomans -Ottomans Empire but I want to Ottomans -Turkey Empire because Ottomans was Turk not a Ottomans.

And I don't want to change name in the game.Procuders must change name.

 

[Refar]

From where i stand - the more cool/different/interesting civs, the better. Turks - sure, why not. The same is true for any other however... And any of them would be good to have in the game - it's not about being greater, older or cooler - it's just about being different.

But there can only be so many in the game, because the developers/artist/writers time is limited. They have chosen, what they felt would be interesting and what they felt many people would recognize. And probaly - as simple as it is - just something they knew... Maybe because they happened to read about it in a magazine the other day. As you can see many people here even have difficulties to understand what you refer to by "Turks" - there is your reason it did not make it. But it's not my point.

The point is, that no Civ is more "deserving" to be in than any other.
What kind of measure for the power/greatnes/coolnest of a Civilization is "was included in a Video Game" Anyway ?!

Any and every Civ that ever existed would be cool to have in the game. But can't have them all. Some did not make it. Any assesment that a Civ "must" be in the game is pointless.

So if you want to play as Turks mod it. Or request a mod.
If you wan't the Turks included because they "must officially be in the game"... Get over it...

 

[r_rolo1]

And all of this would be avoided if they had called them "Turks" instead of "Ottomans".... Ottomans were turks anyway , so it would be apropriate

 

[CHEESE!]

Yeh, RFC changed Ottoman Empire to Turkish Empire, but still had Mehmed. Ottomans should be Turks. But it is easy to change the empire name- just a bit of XML fiddling.