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Turkey in the EU

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Pannonius, Aug 19, 2007.

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Should Turkey be admitted into the EU?

  1. Yes, Turkey should be admitted into EU wright away

    17 vote(s)
    13.9%
  2. Yes, it should be admitted after some reforms

    32 vote(s)
    26.2%
  3. Yes, but only after serious reforms and some probation time

    36 vote(s)
    29.5%
  4. No, Turkey should not be a member state of the EU

    37 vote(s)
    30.3%
  1. Pannonius

    Pannonius Reconquistador

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    Would you support Turkey joining the EU? This is one of the major questions in EU politics, so I would like to know what is the opinion of civvers on that topic. Your thoughts?
     
  2. GoodSarmatian

    GoodSarmatian Jokerfied Western Male

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    In principle I am not opposed to a Turkish EU-membership, but a lot of things will have to change.
    The military has too much influence and the ultranationalism and leadercult about Atatürk are quite disturbing.
     
  3. SonicX

    SonicX Emperor

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    Been discussed many times before.
    Personally, I strongly say no to Turkey joining the EU. Only the region around the Bosphorus has a mentality and culture that's close enough to ours, but the people in the east, center and south are far from the kind of people the EU should take in. Perhaps the recent Turkish islamic AKP election victory, combined with the preceding islamization/laicization debate and rallies demonstrate the lack of readyness of the majority of the Turkish people to join the EU.
    Let them stay where they are, independant at the crossroads of Europe and the Middle East.
     
  4. Mirc

    Mirc Not mIRC!!!

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    QFT. :)
     
  5. Pannonius

    Pannonius Reconquistador

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    Yes, I also share SonicX's opinion. Only Constantinople and Ionia are really european. Rest of the country is economically and culturally way behind even the Arab states.
     
  6. Rossiya

    Rossiya Fridge Magnet Porn

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    ROFL. Another Turkey EU thread. I think Turkey should be in the EU.
     
  7. Ansar

    Ansar Détente avec l'été

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    I do not think that Turkey should be in the EU.
     
  8. Thorgalaeg

    Thorgalaeg Deity

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    Yes, but as a remote possibility, maybe in 15-20 years.

    My reasons are the typical ones people usually write in these threads, in order of importance:

    1- Too big, too populated country, poorer that any new EU member AFAIK, culturally, ideologically and demograpically different too. I dont think EU is in enough good shape and united enough to absorb all this right now.

    2- I think "muslim" world is now in an important point to define himself and his relations with western world, Turkey being a good example of this. Maybe in some years we´ll see as this history ends. Until then it is better to expect and see.

    3- Some important international conflicts, even with other EU members. No good. Should be resolved before they join. In any case, becuase this reason and above reasons, Turkey would not help to a further integration of European states precisely.

    All this sounds as a big NO i know, but OTOH maybe all these theories are crap and they join and in some years they become the most "European" of all EU members, who knows. ;)
     
  9. Kozmos

    Kozmos Jew Detective

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    No.

    xclxcl
     
  10. Cannae

    Cannae Philosophy of Poverty

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    Yes, Turkey should be admitted into EU right away IMHO.
     
  11. QuoVadisNation

    QuoVadisNation keeping your angel alive

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    I have this one sociology professor who makes his opinions verbally known on every occasion regarding this subject. Why not paraphrase?

    ahem..

    "It'll be a cold day in Hell before Turkey is allowed entry into the new islamophobic Christiandom, and any Turk who thinks otherwise is a naive fool"


    edit: In short, unless Turkey joining means big profits for the EU, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they never get in.
     
  12. Kozmos

    Kozmos Jew Detective

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    Richard IV: As the good Lord said: "Love thy neighbour as thyself, unless he's Turkish, in which case, kill the bastard!"
     
  13. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    I would support a slow integration, over a 50 year time period.

    A sudden enlargement of the EU by 70 million relatively poor people would just be too much of a shock.

    Give the newly admitted states some time to be absorbed first.
     
  14. Cuivienen

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    Why treat turkey differently than, say, Romania. The two started on about equal economic footing, and Romania's fast progression into the EU has greatly helped its economy.

    They still aren't substantially poorer than the people of Poland, Romania or Bulgaria.

    This is reasonable; there should be some time elapsed between each new admittance (say, three years at least). On the other hand, the earlier Turkey is admitted, the sooner and faster social and economic change will happen in Turkey. Turkey can change outside of the EU, but it will happen slowly, or it can join the EU and rapidly reform due to greatly increased pressure and influence from modernized states.
     
  15. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    Hmm Poland is much better off than Romania & Bulgaria, even before joining the EU.

    Most of eastern Turkey is stuck in 1869.
     
  16. The Yankee

    The Yankee The New Yawker Retired Moderator

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    It can't be the population thing, as the last two enlargements (2004 and 2007) brought in more than 100 million people. You may be right about development, but as cases such as Ireland have shown, being in the EU has done more to spur growth and modernization than not.
     
  17. warpus

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    The EU just gained so many people though, I think we should wait before the next big 'wave'.
     
  18. Thorgalaeg

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    It IS the population thing too. Have in mind that we are speaking about ONE country with 70 millions, not several countries with 10, 20 or 30 millions each. There is a difference, dont know if you understand tha i mean.
     
  19. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    I do not think that it will ever happen.
     
  20. bhsup

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    Wow, that's a pretty telling poll. Sure, Turkey is good enough to die for a NATO member, but not good enough to chum around with?
     

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