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Turkey in the EU

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Pannonius, Aug 19, 2007.

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Should Turkey be admitted into the EU?

  1. Yes, Turkey should be admitted into EU wright away

    17 vote(s)
    13.9%
  2. Yes, it should be admitted after some reforms

    32 vote(s)
    26.2%
  3. Yes, but only after serious reforms and some probation time

    36 vote(s)
    29.5%
  4. No, Turkey should not be a member state of the EU

    37 vote(s)
    30.3%
  1. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    Modernized, not Westernized.

    Somebody should finally explain how could Turkish membership give the EU any positive influence in the Middle East.

    In fact, EU would be dragged into Turkish internal and external conflicts with Kurds and other Turkish neighbours. Also, Turkey doesn't have exactly good relations with the Arab countries, so the Turkish membership could do us more harm than good here.

    EU has to expand its influence in the Middle East, but not this way. Should we accept Vietnam to get more influence in South-East Asia too? :crazyeye:
     
  2. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    Actually, they will elect moderate Islamists. I am not afraid Turkey will become second Iran, but they'll definitely not be a liberal democracy either.
     
  3. TheBoatman

    TheBoatman Warlord

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    If they meet all the entrance criteria as any other member state has done, help solve the Cyprus and Kurds question and acknowledge Armenian genocide, then why not? This could be done until 2025.
     
  4. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    Why not? Perhaps because it's not a European country? Should we admit Malaysia, if they meet all the criteria? Or Argentina? It is certainly more European than Turkey.
     
  5. ArneHD

    ArneHD Just a little bit mad

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    Why not? I am myself in favor of letting Canada, Australia and New Zeeland into the EU (Either vulenterally or by force).
     
  6. Pannonius

    Pannonius Reconquistador

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    Maybe, but I'm quite suspicious about those "moderates". They're moderate until it's time to move to the next level.
     
  7. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    What about Norway (either voluntarily or by force)? :D
     
  8. aronnax

    aronnax Let your spirit be free

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    I have been to Turkey, my tourguide said the turkish people will not let that happen
     
  9. ArneHD

    ArneHD Just a little bit mad

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    We ARE already a member, practically speaking. Why bother to have us officially join? (I don't remember who, but someone called Norway the best member of the EU once).
     
  10. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    I agree with that.

    The problem is that Turkey is a country split between progressive, half-Westernized "elites" and the poor rest.
     
  11. scy12

    scy12 Deity

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    If they ever leave Cyprus , maybe , in >50 years. If it is advantageous for my country. But it will never happen .
     
  12. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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    See, the problem is that there is no such thing. Should Bosnia-Herzegovina not be ever allowed to join? Their culture is far different than anything we have on the continent. Iceland? Albania? How similar is Romanian culture to Swedish culture?
     
  13. Eran of Arcadia

    Eran of Arcadia Stormin' Mormon Retired Moderator

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    Yeah, who defines what the "basic" European culture is, and how far can a culture differ from this base and still be considered European?
     
  14. Winner

    Winner Diverse in Unity

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    You only have an access to the common market, but you have to adhere to the EU regulations without having a say in the EU institutions. If you like that, you're strange people ;)
     
  15. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Turkey might have a small part only in Europe (roughly the size of the FYRMA (it sounds more corporate than FYROM :) ), but it has a larger population there than the Czech Repuplic.

    Ultimately it might be partitioned into Turkey and Kurdistan, and the bulk of the east is still in feudal times, so cannot join.
     
  16. aronnax

    aronnax Let your spirit be free

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    Well they leave Cyprus once the Turkish Cypriots are safe, and Crypus dont seem to be doing that
     
  17. Winner

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    Roots, religion, common historic experience, similar mindset - that's what I mean.

    For example most of European countries opposed Turkish aggression and expansion in Europe. That's one think that Austrians, Polish or Romanians have in common. On the other hand, Turkey is historically anti-European country. Since its very beginnings as a nation, it has always threatened Europe. Only in last few decades, they underwent a forcible Westernization. Does that suddenly make them European?

    I don't want to sound like I have something against Turkey, in fact I admire their achievements, though I have my reservations to some other aspects of their country (Arm. genocide denial etc.). But this is not a debate whether we like Turkey or not. It is a debate whether Turkey belongs to European Union, a commonwealth of European countries, of people who feel European and who share common historic experience. I say it doesn't belong here, in the same way Thailand doesn't. It is simply too different.
     
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    Europeans themselves. And Europeans say that Turkey is not one of them.
     
  19. Eran of Arcadia

    Eran of Arcadia Stormin' Mormon Retired Moderator

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    The problem is, that ends up being circular reasoning - you need to be able to define who a European is, to know who is European, to determine who can define who a European is.
     
  20. Rossiya

    Rossiya Fridge Magnet Porn

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    Please, I really don't think we need a deep, philosophical debate on how to define a European. It's quite simple.
     

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