Turkey v Kurds

Jimmy Dore's brief explanation about whats been going on in Syria, does that sound about right? Something about a natural gas pipeline thru Syria but Assad opposes it because Russia sells gas to Europe

^ We discuss this before, but discoveries of Gas in the Mediterranean are what have killed off the gas pipeline. Its no economical to build a pipeline when there are gas fields right in the Mediterranean.
I like Jimmy Dore but dont take everything hes says as the gospel truth

Five countries in the eastern Mediterranean are shaking up Europe’s energy map
http://theconversation.com/five-cou...nean-are-shaking-up-europes-energy-map-119619
 

Jimmy Dore's brief explanation about whats been going on in Syria, does that sound about right?

yesterday's news . It's now Israelis wanted to steal gas in the Med and Syria had to bled white and they have won gloriously .

Five Countries in the eastern Med are shaking up Europe's energy map

no , they are not .


mission accomplished , EU steps into to "save" the Kurds . With the joint American-Russian intervention lifting A-K-P's vote to 40%s again , EU calls for a No Fly Zone , an European protected safe zone , stuff actually asked by Trump before the joint intervention , so that he could eat his cake of economic bonanzas with no risk of impeachment . When there's no more risk of a fight , oh my , glorious European Crusaders ! And of course we have "our honour defiled" with the Turkish flag thrown onto the ground , which turns out to be the seal of the New Turkey Parliament on a chocolate box distributed to PMs in the EU meeting and this heroic Italian Right Winger throwing it , with cameras recording , with the speaker person telling him not to etc , etc . Nothing to do with my last post on the previous page , but hey , if ı have Italians who used to explore America 20 to 30 years before Colombus , why would ı ever need an Italian MP ? Say , the recent brand of these guys came to prominence with ranting against their South , the Mafia infested lazy South , and he now wants our South's Mafia ?
 
When there's no more risk of a fight , oh my , glorious European Crusaders !

Compare with 20 years ago. I'd say your risk keeps rising...
Erdogan's major mistake was to undo the previous turkish way of going about stuff, which was to firmly avoid the spotlight and to become a matter of public opinion in the US/EU. He did gain internally by his new attitude, but the risk attached to that is obviously very high. Turkish politics were the same before Erdo, it is just that no one in the actual western public even knew of the issue, so it had no political cost for western leaders to agree.
 
I read on Reddit this morning that the US military is sending tanks and forces back into Eastern Syria.

It's also worth pointing out that Trump said he was 'sending the troops home' as his justification for abandoning the Kurds but he sent more troops to Saudi Arabia and Iraq than he pulled out of Syria and in the same week, no less.
 
I read on Reddit this morning that the US military is sending tanks and forces back into Eastern Syria.

It's also worth pointing out that Trump said he was 'sending the troops home' as his justification for abandoning the Kurds but he sent more troops to Saudi Arabia and Iraq than he pulled out of Syria and in the same week, no less.

Isn’t troops in Saudi’s Arabia the explicit reason for the attacks on 9/11? I’m really sick of defending that stupid house of international misfits.
 
Isn’t troops in Saudi’s Arabia the explicit reason for the attacks on 9/11? I’m really sick of defending that stupid house of international misfits.

I like a US general's reply to senator Graham. Graham said: "[...] but US obviously doesn't support Isis" (paraphrasing), to which the general responded: "Some US allies in the middle east even fund Isis". Saudi & Turkey are to be inferred.
 
I like a US general's reply to senator Graham. Graham said: "[...] but US obviously doesn't support Isis" (paraphrasing), to which the general responded: "Some US allies in the middle east even fund Isis". Saudi & Turkey are to be inferred.

Yea and I’m not a fan of even tacitly supporting anyone’s that supports this salafist version of Islam.
 
yup, the troops aint coming home, they're just switching places on the chess board... and we're back to the 1990s

damnit Trump wtf are you doing, other than lying
 
yup, the troops aint coming home, they're just switching places on the chess board... and we're back to the 1990s

damnit Trump wtf are you doing, other than lying
He's doing what he does best; Creating cluster-****s.
 
To divert from past clusters.
 
damnit Trump wtf are you doing, other than lying

Connect the dots already

US to deploy more troops to eastern Syria to secure oilfields
The planned reinforcement will take place in coordination with the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to prevent the oilfields from falling into the hands of Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS), a Pentagon statement said.
Earlier on Thursday, US President Donald Trump said on social media the US "will never let a reconstituted ISIS have those fields".
The new deployment could mean US forces would be like "sitting ducks" being stationed in an area, in which the borders are guarded by Russian and Syrian troops, he added.
"Who is going to safeguard them? The Kurds will have nothing to do with America. They have now made a deal with the Assad government. The whole thing makes no sense."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...syrian-secure-oil-fields-191025022517393.html
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/10/trump-administration-syria-screw-the-kurds-save-the-oil
 
here's an interesting piece in support of Trump's 'withdrawal'

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-10-25/trump-outsmarts-putin-with-syria-retreat

Trump calls Syria a “bloody sandbox.” He’s right about that. It is also a briar patch of warring tribes and sects, inexplicable ancient animosities and irreconcilable differences.

The president is not prepared to take responsibility for this complicated place, or to get caught up in it. If leaving creates an opportunity for Russia to fill the vacuum, as American lawmakers believe, then it is one Trump is happy to cede. The Russian leader struts on the world stage, but he has not exactly won a victory.

Sooner or later, al-Qaeda, Islamic State or the next iteration of jihad will break loose in Syria. When that happens, the Russians will be the new Satan on the block. Their diplomats in Damascus will come under attack, as will Russian troops. More troops will be sent to defend them. Putin’s much-prized Mediterranean naval installations will require reinforcement. And so on. Soon enough, jihad will inflame Russia’s large Muslim population. Moscow itself will become a terrorist target.

I tend to disagree with the author's argument Syria will continue giving birth to terrorist surges once Syria, Russia and Iran quell "Isis", but the rest of that is spot on. Just like Afghanistan back in the late 70s, filling vacuums can be a costly endeavor.
 
The russians eventually won in the Caucasus, which is a much tougher region than Syria. They won't get bogged down there.

The fundamental problem is not one of renewed rebellions and armed groups running rampart. It's the fact that trust has fundamentally broken among those countries involved in the mess. Syria has been under attack by several countries, and has (probably very reluctantly) to bring in others and get "indebted". But all these involved do not trust each other, often do not stick to what they agreed before.

Turkey in particular has no clear aims. It may be that Erdogan's priorities are internal, claim a victory over the kurds. It may be that he has neo-ottoman dream. It may be that other decision-makers in Turkey are worried about the kurds. It may be that they have imperial ambitions, or benefit from continued war. Are they going to leave or do everything to cling to syrian territory?

The same is happening with the US presence in Syria. Is there any goal other than keeping Syria from rebuilding? How much is Trump into appeasing his political backers? Or his rivals?

At least the other states involved have clearer stances. Iran is in it for preventing further isolation and for keeping communications into Lebannon open. Israel is in it (influencing the US) for keeping the Golan Heights, and keeping Syria weak, or even splitting it. Russia is in it for prestige and gaining influence in the Middle East, perhaps also for military experience so long as fighting can be kept limited. Saudi Arabia was in it because it's ruled by a fool who thought he could easily win wars.
 
Compare with 20 years ago. I'd say your risk keeps rising...
Erdogan's major mistake was to undo the previous turkish way of going about stuff, which was to firmly avoid the spotlight and to become a matter of public opinion in the US/EU. He did gain internally by his new attitude, but the risk attached to that is obviously very high. Turkish politics were the same before Erdo, it is just that no one in the actual western public even knew of the issue, so it had no political cost for western leaders to agree.

the only risk was America blundering into a Civil War and compared to 20 years ago , New Turkey has exposed its parallel army and state and ideas and practices and whatnot . The process of "recruitment" is much "easier" than when it was some hope of Democracy , Wealth , stuff . Hence , nothing will ever happen to New Turkey . Do you think America would want to face fixed bayonets ?


and
ı see , there's no Trump the glorious thread as of yet .

"10 numara , daha da hayırlara vesile olmasını dilerim" like means good job and may that lead to more good stuff . Poster really approves the pell mell running away of United States of America from New Turkey , the Army of Petrol and the so called Free Syrians aka a bunch of beardies aka a bunch of beardies aka " thugs & bandits & pirates that should be wiped off the face of the earth" requires a cover-up job .Poster not particularly hurt that his prophecy of Baghdadi's head ending up on a pike was not realized , but with "Everything but me is fake news" Trump there's always hope . People might have heard of Trumpian description of the loser chased by hounds into some tunnel and blowing himself up with 3 of his kids ; it is a natural classic . And oh , how well he was prepared with DNA crews on the job , unlike loser Obama's boys who ended up shooting up someone and like spent minutes looking for a tape measure or something to see whether the guy they gunned down while on a direct TV connection to the White House was like "OMG, is he Osama?" Not one single person can escape Trump , no fast moves , no tons of money can save you when Trump is after you ! And he of course thanks New Turkey , who was super and who didn't shoot down the American helicopters and this proves he was right to throw away the Kurds . And he is like mighty he now can meet the innocent Ayn-el-Arab guy , that general something of the seperatists who is wanted by the Interpol on a "Red Notice" , grab him whenever wherever you see him kind of thing . Oh , not that you Americans killed Bagdadi , the Rolex carrying caliph wannabe , will you now leave Syria altogether ?


and amazing what panic leads to . Imagine if some dudes were to panic America leave Guam or Okinawa or America itself . It would be THE salvation of the Mankind ! America out of America !
 
photographic analysis , seperate post because without the baggage


2011 photo : According to the American narrative this is at the time of the Abbotabad crash . Mrs . Rodham is the "most" emotional , because she didn't expect an American helicopter would be shot down . Women are emotional and there's nothing particularly wrong with that , now that without women and their emotions we Mankind wouldn't have existed .

2019 photo : It's some hot landing zone out there . Vietnam era aviators would have committed in the first pass , 3 or 4 helicpters would be shot down and they would have lost 50 killed but they would do the job . A week of fighting for extraction with a couple or two of full deck carrier strikes , but it would start quick . This is a different "culture" that aims to limit the fallout of "own" casualties . No need to criticize either , those enemies of Islam who shout Allah Ekber nonstop think they are godlike , any success they score will embolden them across the world . Also approve the killing of the ISIL's media guy , so that no one will now be able to gauge the volume of fire . So , the people are covering Trump with no possibilities of casualties that might hurt Trump politically . So , we have Trump , just about to have a seizure because of the "cowardice" he is witnessing . Pence has the Neo-con calm , they could just go nuke someplace if there are big enough casualties . The guys in green are concerned as they should be , is this a setup , courtesy of good old Putin , good PR value in the Cold War 2.0 ? Would you ever see this very picture in a "normal" America ? No , Trump wants the world to see that it was him that made the biggest military power "GO" when it was actually cowering in fright . Such stuff regularly happens to "great" leaders .

explains the evident joy at the end of the Jihadi who was naturally begging on the radio for CIA to help him out . Because he was terminated only because of POTUS .

the difference with a post with baggage is perhaps the other part would include the thing that as the lizard god , Trump can seperate his tail and make it cross the ocean and level the whole target village down in an hurricane of anger . Instead of relying on those "incapable" losers .
 
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