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Turkish bill clears men of statutory rape if they marry

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Kyriakos, Nov 22, 2016.

  1. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Lol ...

    What do you think of the nice new law in Erdo-place?
     
  2. AppleDumplingHead

    AppleDumplingHead Chieftain

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38061785

    Some places with these child marriage laws in society do so because marriage isn't always a sexual arrangement as it's come to be understood over centuries in the west, but a sort of adoption. Of course, it places a vulnerable person in the hands of a person who might victimize. So we have a minority report thing going on and a sneaking suspicion all men are looking to victimize young women. That's unfortunate, but it does happen, often enough that it needs regulation. Turkey is "with the times" (or so we call our democratic global hegemony) enough to stand up for itself.
     
  3. Valka D'Ur

    Valka D'Ur Hosting Iron Pen in A&E Retired Moderator

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    You adopt children or, in the case of how they did things in ancient Rome, an adult heir if you don't have a biological heir.

    You don't adopt sex partners. That's obscene. :huh:
     
  4. daft

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    Turks are Europeans, right?
    Anything European is cool in North America, so there you go...(Gus style)
     
  5. FriendlyFire

    FriendlyFire Codex WMDicanious

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    Its what they Turkish majority including women voted for ?
    If bad comes to worse, the wives and steal the remote control and mess with the TV during a soccer game, then we will see who holds the whip hand
     
  6. Owen Glyndwr

    Owen Glyndwr La Femme Moderne

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    Thankfully it seems this proposed law was withdrawn after overwhelming public opposition.

    Erdogan had this to say:
    “I see great benefit in solving this problem in a broad consensus,” he said, “taking into account criticism and recommendation from different sections of society.”

    So, the defeat may be only temporary, unfortunately.
     
  7. Agent327

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    Seeing as the bill was withdrawn, I think not. Unsurprisingly, criticism of the proposed law wasn't limited to Turkey alone. But such and like laws seem symptomatic of a regime apparently determined to keep Turkey out of the EU and firmly embedded in the Middle East.
     
  8. r16

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    as ranted elsewhere Russians slap Ankara in the face with refusing to support when we are kicked out of NATO and just before every single "party" in the European Parliament agrees to stop the talks . Hence they have to stop this thing , which exactly doesn't look like "European" . As of 11.00 hours local time , no commentary on how there's not a single 13 years old virgin in Sweden , too . It's becoming more widespread that the law was for "saving" the brother of a MP , instead of all those Gypsies / Romans who know nothing about anything law or something . The Party calls on the latter to propagandize the case . Coming back as soon as applicable .
     
  9. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    ^Saving brothers of mps is serious business :)
     
  10. Yeekim

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    Just how underage can those girls be? Given Turkey's relatively high age of consent (18), it could actually be reasonable if there still was an age floor, past which this wouldn't apply.
     
  11. daft

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    And you know why there ain't no Swedish virgins left at 13 or later?
    Sweden leads Europe in Rape cases.
    Most of the rapes on Swedish women (and girls) per annum are/were committed (in Sweden) by whom? NON EUROPEAN IMMIGRANTS!

    Read your facts, then stop your POLITICALLY CORRECT liberalism, or libertartdism, whichever you prefer, they're one and the same.

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  12. JollyRoger

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    Indeed, according to official statistics on file with The Swedish Crime Survey, the sexual violence rate in Sweden has remained about the same between 2005 and 2014. In fact, it actually decreased by .3 percent between 2013 and 2014. That said, the country has the highest rate of rape in Europe, a statistic that has been partially attributed to both Swedish law, wherein rape is given a wider definition than in other countries, as well as a higher tendency among women to report the crimes to the police.

    "It is much more complicated than the way the media are normally presenting it," Jerzy Sarnecki, a professor of criminology at Stockholm University, told The Daily Beast. "According to studies which I have done on general crime, most of the differences in recorded crimes between immigrants and Swedes are explained by socioeconomic factors. It doesn't mean of course, that one, a few, or several other incidents of that kind [sexual assaults perpetuated by immigrants] didn't happen. "

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/11/are-migrants-really-raping-swedish-women.html
     
  13. Commodore

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    You guys bought 400 M1 Abrams tanks from us a few years ago right? I say you put them to use and settle that rivalry once and for all liberate them from their enforced rape culture
     
  14. Arwon

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    Firstly, the average age Swedes first have sex is about 16.2.

    Secondly, the "high rape rate in Sweden" canard is a far-right zombie fact that gets it exactly wrong.

    High rates of sexual assault in official crime statistics in a place like Sweden are almost certainly a reflection of a better legal and judicial situation. In the UK or Australia or USA, between 70% and 90% of rape goes unreported. We can assume in most countries that an increase in reported rape is a good thing, because it means a more supportive culture and legal / judicial system.

    If a country has a better legal environment and less stigma against rape victims, and its under-reporting is lower, then it's going to show up as having higher statistics in the official records. Doesn't mean that it's more prevalent, though. To draw that conclusion is perfectly backwards.

    Sweden also, as JR notes, has a fuller legal definition of rape. Many other countries only define rape as, say, forcible or violent penetration of a woman by a man. Hell Mississippi defines it as "Any person who assaults with intent to forcibly ravish any female of previous chaste character".

    Sweden also records multiple incidents as multiple crimes, in contrast to many other countries which would record repeated victimisation as a single crime.

    They record crimes at the point of initial report, which is earlier than any jurisdictions which only record after investigation or even charging or conviction. They also have a proactive onus on police and prosecutors to register offenses as they are identified, whereas other places have more negotiable charges and plea bargaining and the like.
     
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    Good thing the bill was withdrawn. Maybe there still is hope for Turkey.

    The German government recently changed the rape laws from "perpetrator has to use physical force and victim has to fight back and struggle enough" to "no means no". It also reclassified groping from "all fun and games" to "sexual assault".
    I guess we'll soon hear a lot about how rape and sexual assault cases in Germany have gone up 1000% after we let all those Syrians in. :rolleyes:
     
  16. Kyriakos

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    I am always surprised that all muslims get jibed as being equally unable to integrate in EU countries, cause it is simply not true. Most of the levant ones aren't likely to have much issue, given their home countries already are near Europe and have ties to european culture (greek and roman for millenia, and later on british and french for a period). It is muslim people from further away, eg central Asia (Afganistan/Pakistan mostly) who are virtually alien to Europe in the first place, and tend to be facing huge difficulty in integrating. Syrians are pretty much cosmopolitan juxtaposed to such :)
     
  17. r16

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    everybody , deep down , knows am not exactly politically correct and certainly do not contribute one bit to the rape statistics in Sweden . And of course , the thing stems from a claim that all Europeans are hypocrites who scoff at legal marriage at a small age while they go and sleep with their own daughters .
     
  18. r16

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    and let me tell you what's legal in Europe . You can definitely abduct a Kurdish girl in Germany . When the father questions , you can also put a gun to his head with full confidence that the German judge will give a nice speech on how good Kurds are and they are liberating the world from the tyranny of the likes of ISIL and , uhm , Turks . If ı say especially in the old times that she would share the "burden" in so many different positions and stuff , you would like totally take this as a nasty , bad , ugly , untrue lie of a propaganda . As of today you might be correct that their ranks are filled with so many "freedom fighters" let alone those multitude of journalists , that she might even survive even a year or two ...



    edit : As per the norm , "you" will be referring to people who are not even CFC members , who irritate me beyond words .
     
  19. Kyriakos

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    Dr. Tenma would agree with you. We all saw Monster :(
     
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    ı checked wiki and stuff ; ı raise your comic with

     

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