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Turkish bill clears men of statutory rape if they marry

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Kyriakos, Nov 22, 2016.

  1. yung.carl.jung

    yung.carl.jung Hey Bird! I'm Morose & Lugubrious

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    I think it's safe to say that if almost any country in Europe were to handle rape cases like Sweden does their rates would be much higher. Attributing the high rape-rates in Sweden to immigrants is simply being stupid or being intellectually dishonest.
    But have you also seen Master Keaton? To me it's easily among the most beautiful and awe-inspiring anime shows out there. Also really nice to see how Monster borrowed a lot from the protagonist.
     
  2. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    I had watched more than 80 (!) episodes of Monster, years ago, but at the time youtube did not host the final episodes...
    I doubt i will ever go back to see the end. "Dieter" :lol:

    Plot was rather convoluted, but i mentioned it cause it is mostly set in Germany and presents turkish people there as deliberately treated like second class citizents.

    All in all i don't regard Monster as having a good plot. My favourite anime series is always Paranoia Agent ;) :D
     
  3. yung.carl.jung

    yung.carl.jung Hey Bird! I'm Morose & Lugubrious

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    The team took some weird turns with the plot.. All in all I loved the anime, something about the characters really resonated with me, especially Johann (super close to my actual name).. And seeing as I'm part German part Czech I could even identify some of the places, was familiar with some of the folklore and so on. Monster is great for aspects other than its plot and its art, both aren't really top notch in my opinion.
     
  4. Yeekim

    Yeekim Warlord

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    So no-one knows?
     
  5. r16

    r16 not deity

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    the affair started after observations of injustice , but bear with me that ı don't know much about law . So there was not much difference with pedophiles and boys who thought there would be no consequences of "love" . So , the Supreme Court scraps the previous laws and sets up a 6 month duration during which a new law will be written . And this comes up , in effect to decrease the age girls can marry so that they can have more babies , so that we will remain a virile nation . And didn't ı say on the last page that many people think that this so called age of consent would be lowered to 12 in effect ?

    edit: seems ı haven't .
     
  6. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    12 is even lower than Japan (13). And Japan has serious demographic problems :)

    Anyway, making laws to protect party members is not that bad. Trickle-down may help regular pedophiles too :eek:
     
  7. r16

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    well , hopefully ı will be allowed this rant as well . There's this congregation in Turkey , famous for its opposition to the Imam Hatips , defining them as anti-Islamic , claiming their graduates are Hatap , you know , wood to burn in the fires of Hell . So raising their own Imams , kinda the major threat to the country with yours idiotly remembering newspaper articles since the 1980s complaining about the relationship between them and all those Center Right parties . With all those goverments since 1960s and 70s turning the other cheek to people who brainwash students in their dormitories . ı remember the articles from 80s since wasn't able to read for much of the 70s and wasn't even in existance in the 60s . One would expect them to be not much in favour in relation with the A-K-P , neither side much in love with the other . Coming to topic there was this fire in one of the dormitories in which 11 young girls and a female teacher of theirs burned to death .

    let me see , this congregation reportedly owns a quarter of the dormitories in the country , which means at least 1000 of them . With the Party allowing loopholes in rules , in the name of cutting "bürokratik" resistance to doing good stuff , that means they do not need to have fire alarms . At a price beginning from 1500 US dollars , that means at least a million and a half of greenbacks are available for that congregation to do good elsewhere . This reportedly justified by the notion that if a fire breaks out , all those youngsters will jump out of the window . The boys are almost the age they would be drafted , right ? Wait , these are girls and they are even in their early teens ? Only the State can have boarding houses for that young , boys or girls ? By Law ? So it's an illegal activity that requires prison terms and stuff ? It gets even better . This is a mountain town with people's state of being perpetually poor almost visible in the footage of crying fathers and mothers on the newsreels . The State had a dormitory in town , states being the result of this social contract thing in which you pay taxes and die in case of necessity and the state 'ing provides healthcare and education for your kids so that they will have at least a bare minimum chance of not working in the fields for a pittance ? Well , that State dormitory was torn down , you know , too weakly constructed to survive the lightest earthquake and all the students either to go some other mountain town or the congregation's dormitory . These people live in dispersed villages , that 30 kilometers between school and home means these girls would have to take 2 hours of bus trips , one way , too . Meaning they could visit their villages once a month ; one of the fathers was almost crying when recounting how he had asked the relevant state official for an increased frequency of bus trips and nothing was ever done . You are all some stupid Westerners , you do have that spare amount of cash that you can use on taking the bus to see your kid if you miss him/her . Already 30 kilometers from the town , she naturally has to go the congregation facility , with the only available "regular" facility away at a further 35 to 40 kilometers . He says he will move to the big town , for he has 3 left .

    and what does the congregation do with the carte blanche ? Fathers come to enroll their daughters and are not allowed a peek inside , for it's a girls thing . Mind you , they are not objecting to their daughters praying or learning the "religion" . They are of the stock you can send to die with 15 seconds of talking on Martyrdom , of the kind that it's a sin to waste on fool's errands . Amazing to see none of those girls on the news have headscarves , is that because they are no longer objects of desire with their blackened flesh as they lie on hospital beds ? Or the New Turkey desires to blame this on the secular past as well , to clear the good name of "Muslims" someway ? Because the torrent of claims would turn people away from the New that will rule the world , with praying and praying and impressing people down to South and gain all the oil wells on the way ? Afterall , the Past has copied Western ordinances and stuff to require fire exits to remain operable for two hours , yet this one was made out of PVC , plastic stuff , to immediately melt down to bond with the frame . The town is a small place , with the fire station under a kilometer from the dormitory and they arrived as soon as they were alerted , to save 22 or so that could jump out of the window , while the dead are reportedly huddled in front of the exit . Waiting to die ; by suffocation according to the Goverment Ministers , burned alive according to all the rest ; only DNA tests able to identify the bodies .

    the investigators on the scene , with reported presence of electric company quickly changing all the old meters / counters with the new . You know , my late father bought the meters himself , by paying money when the recent system was begun with the electronics making a distinction between phases . The cost is higher at the evenings when everybody comes home , cooks dinner and watches the TV ; and you use the washing machine after 11 in the night . The utility company basically replaced those meters and charged for the replacement , basically stealing it . For all those companies are fighting corruption by re-calibrating the meters every year and billing for it , too . The fire is reported to have started after an electric malfunction , so nobody wants the final report taking notice any congregation gets away with using old meters ? There are claimed witnesses to investigators unable to open a fire exit and physically breaking it , door and frame . Was not surprised at all to hear there was no way of opening the doors from inside , when ı was a museum guide and stiff bored it was an awesome feeling to push the bar , open the door and take a moment or two of fresh air from the outside . Does not help any possible brainwashing at all and ı was 35 or so at the time ... My so called discipline has never been rated as iron in public .

    and of course the "best" part is the realisation that this is not the first time . The same congregation had 16 girls burned to death with a faulty gas tank installation . The intervening 8 years have seen 7 investigations , the number of the accused going down with each new episode . The father asking for increased bus frequency is himself unable to accuse the congregation and that clearly not out of fear . It would be a 15 million dollar lawsuit in the US , where coffee shops see it prudent to have it written on the cups that the coffee they serve might be hot . Here , the guy says it doesn't seem to be an intentional mistake , with the recent experience clearly suggesting to all that the word mistake is just an euphemism for intentional misconduct and they are grieving together with the congregation's manager for the dormitory who lost his own 6 year old daughter in the fire . And what would be the point ? Nobody cares for the two troopers captured by ISIL , PM declaring to topple Damascus would be applauded no matter what by a public that thinks Halep will become the 82nd povince of the country and Musul the 83rd . Economic crisis will be overcome with instruction to the banks to accept any deposit , something they were refusing to do with fear that FBI would come and get the banks' backside for money laundering for those Arabs and stuff who might or might not be the financial backers of heart-eaters . Nobody even remembers the attempted attempt at lawmaking , the subject of this thread . Which might -in effect- decrease the age of consent to 12 , but as you might guess the laws are not a thing ı know anything about . Not even a talk on the 9 years old , molested at the house of her playmate , by the grandfather of the latter girl and dying in an heartattack a day before the case in court where the teathrics of justice requried her to be present in the same place .

    edit : It turns out there was a state owned dormitory within a kilometer of the burned facility , for both boys and girls and yet the parents were not told of it . 80 such "private" institutions in that province with an assumed 2000 under "Muslim" control throughout the country . One father mourns that his daughter didn't want to go ; had he known the other site she would be still alive . One mother grieves that she her daughter to "read" so that she wouldn't toil like her mother yet it turns out they were doing all sorts of house chores over there ... And the funerals . Where any sane people would have to act as if they care . The bodies are returned to the their villages by ambulances . One is seen pushed up a dirt track by up to 10 people . The "road" has suffered from the rains , there are construction machines and a truck or two carrying gravel to repair damaged areas . All the other vehicles are 4x4s and it takes 2 hours to pass that 7 kilometer strech . And this about a girl that had won a place at a State dormitory 70 kilometers away . And then the "Muslims" actually came to the village to convince the father otherwise . You know after the disgrace of the July 15th , where the Congregation attempted to use all those kids once collected from similar forsaken places . And just naturally another fire in a nearby building in that town and one in a girl's dormitory hundreds of kilometers away , apparently at a state run facility . Why , fires happen ...
     
  8. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    Burning dormitory?
    More like crematory, amirite
     
  9. r16

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    they are indeed the people whom the Americans expect to keep the concentration camps running but as you see from that picture ı can always field Ellen Ripley and the Aliens . Being in the Starfleet and all . And , no inclination to arrest yours idiotly these days . Despite the best efforts of the pinnacle of Yellow Journalism in Turkey , whose former chief editor had this pointed article on how the movie Top Gun was 30 years ago . See , no MiG-28 ...
     
  10. Snorrius

    Snorrius Le libre-penseur

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    Well, "statutory rape" is an oxymoron. So basically it is a legalization of early marriages which is fine. It is also gives parents additional tools to govern over their children and their relationships.
     
  11. Lord of Elves

    Lord of Elves Suede-Denim Secret Police

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    This is how it be: states are having to set up and establish actual legal statutes to protect sexual predators. Sexual violence, like other forms of repressive violence, is an informal extension of the power of the state, or at least it used to be. I guess local and now even national governments throughout the world are tryna make it a protected social institution of violence, much like "stand your ground" laws are meant to protect the ability of White Americans to perpetrate acts of extralegal violence against people of color and the poor. Unfortunately for reactionaries, having to create laws to protect these ugly little modern-day witch hunts admits that ugly little modern-day witch hunts are indeed occurring. Much like actual, time period-appropriate witch hunts, stand your ground killings, rapes and sexual assaults occur as a result of a social order in decay. They represent the "worst" of what is made possible and permitted by the institutions of our culture and of the state that we live under. Much like career and entrepreneurial apathy in the old Soviet bloc, they are an "unfortunate" but irremediable result of the way that we do things. For the status quo to be maintained, or re-asserted with an iron fist as reactionaries are always dreaming of, these little liberties being taken by privileged people in society must be protected. After all, the status quo relies more than anything else on the good will of privileged, liberated people.

    In the context of our present-day "late" capitalism, the increasing restriction and exhaustion of social and material resources by a global ruling class that is wealthy and propertied to an extreme unrivaled by any other group of rulers in history, the physical release of race and class violence is one such "little liberty" afforded to members of privileged, liberated classes that are made "normal" (READ: acceptable) and desirable by the ruling class' discourse. Casual, often unprovoked racial and class violence serves to reinforce race and class boundaries that are otherwise theoretical or exist only in the general and abstract trend of history. It reminds people on the wrong side of race and class lines that these lines exist, they are real, and they're on the wrong side of them. Essentially, this atmosphere of constant fear, cruelty and exploitation is the reality of race and class itself. Without such dire consequences, categories of race and class would cease to be the life-defining, meaningful things that they are. Similarly, sexual assault and rape that is overwhelmingly perpetrated by "straight" men against women, queer people and the disabled serves to assert the importance, "normality" and desirability of identifying as straight, cisgendered (etc.), as opposed to as queer, as these attacks are perpetrated so often against people whose sexuality and gender is considered to be ambiguous and therefore pliable. These attacks also serve to assert the benefits of male status, and of masculinity, as masculinity becomes the defining attribute that permits the perpetration of these assaults and supposedly protects the individual against them. The stigma against men speaking out on the topic of abuse and rape perpetrated against them by women is one example of how these acts serve to assert and justify a certain social order, and how when sexual violence is perpetrated against the supposed beneficiaries of this system of cruelty, it is shushed up so as to encourage the people who supposedly benefit from the system to continue to support it, like proverbial crabs keeping each other in the barrel.

    Aight?
     
  12. Snorrius

    Snorrius Le libre-penseur

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    Actually, states usually regulate "sexual predation". In absence of state or any equivalent social construction, the strongest males just take women they desire without asking any kind of social permission.
     
  13. r16

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    just as a supplement , the police report tends to be "positive" . In the 3 story building , one died on the first , apparently 8 on the second and the rest on the 3rd floors . 1st and 3rd "have" functional fire-exits , 2nd doesn't and of course they were all in the study room , not huddled in front of the non-operational door . This is not enough and in yet another proof of Turkish media has no shame whatsoever , we have heard trial balloons of how most died jumping out of windows and it's the fault of the fire department , not "Muslims" . Who have a boy's dormitory of nearby , similarly 3 stairs and the 3rd floor door is totally done with a brick wall , while the second floor door is acceptable as the exit route can be seen from inside and any "night guard" could see boys sneaking in and out . "Muslims" are of course unhappy , declare the girls as martyrs , as it's an Islamic tradition to accept any student of religious affairs as one . Yet ı can't see any declaration from the same "Muslims" that they are like infidels for causing the deaths .
     

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