2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Yep, sounds good. Especially the Copper and Gold city.
Yes, I hope we will have horses. Would make much sense.
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bcool
Deity
perhaps I should have posted this here
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11892317&postcount=31
played test game out to T75 and T85 going for a library and academy in the capital and expansion
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=11892317&postcount=31
played test game out to T75 and T85 going for a library and academy in the capital and expansion
You have understood it correctly. I counted back and we & RB were at 60 EP at turn 45. So we know for sure that last turn RB put their whole EP pool somewhere else than on us. And since nobody from WPC logged in after 2metra we also know that we are the first team WPC met
This is big news indeed.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Ah, great, bcool, will look at it a bit later. Will try my SH save till turn 85 too and report conclusions 
Cal, did we got on clear agreement with Rb about sharing when we meet other teams?
Surprisingly, but yes, we must be the first team they meet. Are we too lucky or all other neighbors are unlucky/unaware to get contacts early?
Caledorn
Emperor
Yes. And RB isn't stupid so they know we can see the espy points haven't moved. Let's give them a day or two, and if we haven't heard anything I'll ask scooter on GTalk what's going on?
Unless they think we are so stupid that we don't check espy every turn this early in the game, I'd say this is an encouraging signal. Whoever they met, they don't want to let them know at least immediately that they've already met us.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Hmm, very good thinking. Never though about it this way
Caledorn
Emperor
Let's give them the benefit of the doubt here. They may have wandered into another team and may be discussing their message to us. Perhaps they only meant to include the general direction, and they were taken "with their pants down" when we gave them exact location of WPC so that they had to rewrite the entire thing now. Our deal never stated that we had to share the info immediately, so by us doing so when we met another team we now have a strong diplomatic upperhand against them that they need to respond to or lose us as potential allies.
Edit: And I misinterpreted it slightly, as you are spot on as well, Aivo, when you say that they obviously (just like us) didn't want the team they've met to know that they already have contact with us. That may be a good thing or a bad thing for us. We'll see based on what they tell us - hopefully we'll have a message from them sometime within the next 12 hours. I'll be sure to post here as soon as we get anything. If we haven't got anything from them around this time tomorrow, I'll ask scooter on GTalk what's going on and why they haven't told us they've met another team.
And I almost forgot. The team they met may have bumped into them, just like we bumped into them. So it may be another team out exploring who have stumbled upon RB, and not RB who have stumbled upon someone else. That doesn't change anything of course, other than the fact that they have no idea where the other team is, and may be trying to extract that information before sending us a message about it.
YossarianLives
Deity
Yes, for all RB's pre-game concern that we were going to run a game-breaking Espy economy, I'm very surprised that they would pull all their EP's off us and onto another team, without first coming to an EP agreement with us. I have to believe that they will soon tell us who, or else they should have kept 100% of their EP's on us if they were going to try to delay us finding out about them meeting another team. I think Caledorn's explanation makes a lot of sense that they're probably having a fierce internal debate right now whether they reciprocate with a similar amount of info as we gave them, or keep the message vague concerning their new contact's direction.
WPC has logged in twice more recently, so they must be talking about how to proceed. I think a big part of deciding who to ally with has to be how quickly they respond to our messages, so let's see how long it takes them to get back to us. I think it's already a poor sign that our greeting message got returned from the email address they provided for diplo.
I thought we'd base Thunderfall's next moves on where WPC told us we could find more teams, but if they really haven't found anyone else yet, then I guess it's up to us where to go next.
Re: Our Micro plan, I'm really glad to see bcool playing out another test game! In my game to T75, I'm nowhere near an Academy, so I definitely want to poke around in his game to figure out where he built the Library, etc. For the immediate term, I still think we should tentatively stick with the micro 2metra posted through T55 until we decide as a team what we want to do. Worst case is we decide against SH and get some failgold at the cost of a couple turns delay on whatever we would be putting hammers into while growing Terasvin to size 3.
WPC has logged in twice more recently, so they must be talking about how to proceed. I think a big part of deciding who to ally with has to be how quickly they respond to our messages, so let's see how long it takes them to get back to us. I think it's already a poor sign that our greeting message got returned from the email address they provided for diplo.
I thought we'd base Thunderfall's next moves on where WPC told us we could find more teams, but if they really haven't found anyone else yet, then I guess it's up to us where to go next.
Re: Our Micro plan, I'm really glad to see bcool playing out another test game! In my game to T75, I'm nowhere near an Academy, so I definitely want to poke around in his game to figure out where he built the Library, etc. For the immediate term, I still think we should tentatively stick with the micro 2metra posted through T55 until we decide as a team what we want to do. Worst case is we decide against SH and get some failgold at the cost of a couple turns delay on whatever we would be putting hammers into while growing Terasvin to size 3.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
I bet another beer this is not the case. They have met another team. Otherwise they would had not the chance to take off their espionage of us and put it on the other team.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
The core WPC guys are known for being always late in answering diplomatic mail. Some of them not bother answering at all. Also very cautious in agreeing to deals with small exception. Also unmanageable in some aspects. Hmm, it seems I just described them as not a good party to ally
Which is not exactly correct, as they are good and trustworthy guys. Just a bit hard to work with.They could have modified their espy if the other team aproached from the direction where the first sign of a border is a hill and instant contact (like we did). Or if the other team was not quite as inclined to play mind games as we are. I am not going to take that bet, though, since I also believe that it is much more likely that RB bumped to another teams borders or they met someone by chance in the wilderness.
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Well, good that we know that, but unless everyone else does they won't last long. With luck we can point them at someone who needs delaying.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Hahah, good one, Aivo. I like mind games. This is one of the most exciting things about playing with humans.
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Do you mean to "meet" them with Rb, Talons?
talonschild
Drive-By NESer
Naturally. I'd even go so far as to say "introduce".
2metraninja
Defender of Nabaxica
Hmmm.. interesting... But sure, this arranged "date" flies a lot in the air lately. And I like it more and more actually.YossarianLives
Deity
Quoting this here since it's more of a decision on our upcoming turns than a diplo choice.
I'm going to hold off on playing the turn for now. It shouldn't be a problem to do that tomorrow before the turn ends. We've got an interesting micro discussion going, so it's worth giving ourselves a little extra time for it. Based on those two saves, I prefer 2Metra's, including SH, I think it can be improved, if we can move up the founding of that copper city and get some axes out a bit sooner though, hopefully that won't be too painful on the commerce.
Does anyone know when barbarian axes will begin to spawn? Once that happens we'd better have copper or all the warriors in the world won't help us.
As for the next turn, my plan would be to move Thunderfall 9, this should reveal a little more land in WPC's city. I'm not sure if it makes sense for us to continue northeast (9) from here to the next team, or if we should head somewhere else. Assuming the 3x3 grid is correct, which so far it appears to be, our other immediate neighbors are southeast (3) and north (8) from WPC. The neighbor se from WPC should be met with one of our warriors near the gold spot. So then it's a question of if we want to continue to move on the diagonal, or head north in preference of meeting another immediate neighbor.
As for the other two warriors, I was going to send Padma north (8) to the forest, in preparation for crossing open terrain to get to the desert hill 8,9,9 from his current position, and was going to have Plotinus sit in place to fogbust. He's close enough that he can get back when we need to protect the workers building our road, but in the meantime he'll deny a few extra tiles to the barbarians. A picture of their current locations is below.
Does anyone know when barbarian axes will begin to spawn? Once that happens we'd better have copper or all the warriors in the world won't help us.
As for the next turn, my plan would be to move Thunderfall 9, this should reveal a little more land in WPC's city. I'm not sure if it makes sense for us to continue northeast (9) from here to the next team, or if we should head somewhere else. Assuming the 3x3 grid is correct, which so far it appears to be, our other immediate neighbors are southeast (3) and north (8) from WPC. The neighbor se from WPC should be met with one of our warriors near the gold spot. So then it's a question of if we want to continue to move on the diagonal, or head north in preference of meeting another immediate neighbor.
As for the other two warriors, I was going to send Padma north (8) to the forest, in preparation for crossing open terrain to get to the desert hill 8,9,9 from his current position, and was going to have Plotinus sit in place to fogbust. He's close enough that he can get back when we need to protect the workers building our road, but in the meantime he'll deny a few extra tiles to the barbarians. A picture of their current locations is below.
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