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Turnsession 6

Discussion in 'Civ4 - Demo Game IV: Gameplay' started by Joe Harker, May 3, 2008.

  1. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Since there hasn't been a thread opened to get instructions for a turnchat before the 5th of May, this is it. :)

    There are currently four possible players, me and dutchfire, at 1400GMT tomorrow (1500 my time, 1600 his time) with either one of us playing the save and the other as back up. (mine would be offline, dutchfire's i believe would be online)

    This is techinally kwarriorpoet's turnchat but i believe he has other committments at the moment so his faction members have been given the go ahead to play it, and then there is NZL because he only did four turns last time.

    Please post instructions for the next turnchat, whoever it might be and when and comment on the proposed plans for playing the save, i think it is important to keep the save moving and not let this died. Thanks :)

    Update:
    dutchfire will play, it will be an online session at 1 GMT, I will be back up should something happen. Enjoy! :)
     
  2. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    The instructions are the same ones as in NZLs, so please go ahead with them as originally planned. Nothing has really changed since then.
     
  3. blastoidstalker

    blastoidstalker The Geographer

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    The last player misalocated the espionage points as 3 to hatty and 1 to Lincoln. I would say switch them all to Lincoln so we can get his graph. Once we get Lincoln's graph split it 3 lincoln- 1 hatty to maintain both graphs.


    A tweek with the scout.

    I would first use him to scout spanish lands (same as before) But i would keep him in spanish lands until a horse archer could replace him. His job is to watch for a settler that could be going towards copper. It is more important, in my opinion, to see this than to scout what is to the west of Hatty. Once a horse archer can ncpome over to replace the scout. The scout should move west to the ocean, then scout back east.


    these are the only changes I would make
     
  4. AluminumKnight

    AluminumKnight Conquistador

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    Just to clarify:

    New Giruvegan should be building a Monument, then a worker. However, if it so happens that the city is less than 3 turns away from growing, please start an archer until growth, then build the worker.

    The first archer in New Giruvegan should fortify and protect the city.

    When the worker is built (maybe happening in this turnset, he should either farm the rice or mine the Bronze. Opinions?
     
  5. blastoidstalker

    blastoidstalker The Geographer

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    I would say mine bronze first
     
  6. Seidrik_The_Gray

    Seidrik_The_Gray Seidrik The Gray

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    Thank you Joe for starting this thread. I believe that your time frame works excellently, and since the instructions are already written with the minor changes already discussed, I think it's a go! Thank you again, can't wait to read about it on Monday, as unfortunately, I wont be able to make the chat :(

    Just remember, we stop when Alphabet is complete :) I trust both you and/or dutch to post the turn chat and screenshots per usual.
     
  7. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    These instructions ok with everyone? (some of them will have been carried out)
     
  8. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    Obviously "Arkadia founded" is not a turn-stopper, as they have planned a build queue for it, so please omit that turnstopper.
     
  9. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Ok, thanks Provo :), i think it was meant to be changed but clearly wasn't.
     
  10. dutchfire

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    :bounce: Can't wait to play it :)
    Tomorrow (sunday) 1 GMT it is.
    1560 BC is the starting save, correct?
     
  11. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Updated the opening post.

    dutchfire: Yes that is the right save :)
     
  12. dutchfire

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    What's the final word on espionage?
     
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    Pre-turn checking the save (1 hour to go):
    Why is our worker improving Arete, which already has plenty of good tiles, while other cities are working unimproved tiles?
    Shouldn't we build a stable+barracks in Arete?
     
  14. Provolution

    Provolution Sage of Quatronia

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    Dutchfire, you have no right to alter the instructions, this is still Triad, so do not abuse the trust you have been given. Warlord City is the military city, to specialize for military purposes. Also, I think the worker should connect Arete to Warlord City as we agreed on, also to give the health benefit to Warlord City.
     
  15. dutchfire

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    I'm not altering instructions, I'm just asking questions.

    BTW the worker instructions say: "Worker: Mine Arete hills, Cottage Arete grassland, Farm Edorai Rice, Mine Edorai hills"
    Nothing there about building roads
     
  16. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    How many workers have we got?
     
  17. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Also are you playing at 1 GMT or 1 your time?
     
  18. dutchfire

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    1 near Arete, with 1 being in the build queue of new giruvegan.

    BTW I'm already in #turnchat
     
  19. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    We have started, should anyone want to join us.
     
  20. dutchfire

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    View attachment Antimedius BC-0775.CivBeyondSwordSave

    Spoiler chatlog :

    Session Start: Sat Apr 12 20:46:09 2008
    Session Ident: #turnchat
    * Disconnected
    Session Close: Sat Apr 12 20:46:10 2008

    Session Start: Sun May 04 12:35:34 2008
    Session Ident: #turnchat
    * Now talking in #turnchat
    * Topic is 'Civ4 Demogame III Turnchat Channel'
    * Set by Chieftess on Sat Apr 12 18:32:53
    * Chieftess sets mode: +v dutchfire
    <dutchfire> hi
    <dutchfire> mIRC started up, paint opened, notepad with instructions ready, HOF-3.13.001 downloaded, loaded, options set, save downloaded, save loaded
    <dutchfire> seems like I'm ready to go, just have to wait 1 hour and 15 minutes now
    <dutchfire> time for lunch :)
    * Chieftess has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
    * Chieftess has joined #turnchat
    * Mafioso sets mode: +ao Chieftess Chieftess
    * Chieftess sets mode: +v Chieftess
    <dutchfire> hi
    * Joe32320 has joined #turnchat
    * Chieftess sets mode: +v Joe32320
    <Joe32320> Hi
    <dutchfire> hi
    <dutchfire> Provo sure is happy I, of all people, am playing the turnchat :)
    <Joe32320> indeed, he is probably mad that the faction with the rebellion leader is in charge of this turnchat as well lol
    <Joe32320> just checking are you playing at 1 your time
    <dutchfire> 1 your time, 2 my time
    <dutchfire> so that's 26 minutes from now
    <Joe32320> yes thats right, i get confused with timezones
    <dutchfire> I had to download the HOF-mod by the way, I was lucky I started preparations early
    <Joe32320> did you have trouble getting it on, for a few days i couldn't get installed (could just be me of course!)
    <dutchfire> no I didn't
    <dutchfire> which was surprissing, considering the . .. .. .. . I had to go through to get 3.13
    <Joe32320> didn't go well, did it then? :)
    <dutchfire> well, I bought BtS in August, and I only got it patched about a month ago
    <Joe32320> ouch!, so a fair amount of time then! From what i remember the old patches were extremely bugged and unbalanced.
    <dutchfire> well, my installation didn't work (something wrong with directX updates), so I manually had to move all files from another computer to mine
    <dutchfire> and then I had to move all registry entries too
    <dutchfire> but it's working now :)
    <Joe32320> Well thats alright then :) Let's just hope something doesn't go wrong in the next few hours!
    <dutchfire> lol
    <Joe32320> Might be just us as well, i don't see any others lurking the fourms
    <dutchfire> provo?
    <dutchfire> he uses hidden status usually
    <Joe32320> if he turns up.
    <Joe32320> you are one hour ahead of me right, cause its approx 1 here so its 12 GMT?
    <dutchfire> 12 gmt - 1 BST - 2 CET (daylight savings)
    <Joe32320> sorry not quite with it this afternoon! Got some kind of virus my sister decided that would be the only thing she would ever share with me :lol:
    <dutchfire> lol
    <Joe32320> also i must stop putting colons infront and behind the lol here cause smiles don't come here :mad:, Oh damn it!
    <dutchfire> today, i looked at the game for the first time, and I must admit, I'm shocked
    <dutchfire> how do those people think we can win a war against Spain, with our current army consisting of 1 horse archer and some city defenders
    <dutchfire> TURNCHAT STARTING NOW
    <Joe32320> Sucide attacks maybe?
    <dutchfire> suicide attack, we've only got 1 serious unit
    <dutchfire> arete - grassland farm - grassland hill mine
    <dutchfire> press enter
    <dutchfire> turn 62:
    <Joe32320> Well i don't know, either do they by the looks of it.
    <dutchfire> horse archer #1 N-NE
    <dutchfire> scout: SE-SW
    <dutchfire> ready to press enter agian
    <dutchfire> wait. switch around espionage
    <Joe32320> go for it!
    <dutchfire> espionage 1-3 (spain-babylon)
    <Joe32320> How many turns until alphapet (can't spell!)
    <dutchfire> turn 63:
    <dutchfire> edorai grows to size 3
    <dutchfire> 20(!) to alphabet, at +1, 10 treasury
    <dutchfire> horse archer NW-NW towards barb warrior
    <dutchfire> scout SW, spots Madrid, hindu holy city, 1 archer
    <dutchfire> flatland, 40% defence bonus
    <Joe32320> Isn't the point we finish alpha meant to be the turnchat stopper!!!???
    <Joe32320> Nothing less than we could have excpected
    <dutchfire> seems like I have plenty of turns to play
    <dutchfire> turn 64:
    <dutchfire> horse archer NW-NE
    <dutchfire> scout S-SE
    <dutchfire> madrid has hindu missionary
    <dutchfire> holy cow
    <dutchfire> madrid has rice (being farmed) + 2 gems mines!
    <Joe32320> well thats not good!
    <dutchfire> arete cottage finished
    <dutchfire> citizen- coast-cottage
    <dutchfire> NG: citizen to grassland to time growth & monument
    <dutchfire> turn 65
    <dutchfire> horse archer 1 beats barb warrior (99,9% odds)
    <dutchfire> worker now has to farm edorai rice, which isn't in our borders yet, picks next item on to do list (mine hills)
    <dutchfire> scout E-SE
    <Joe32320> someone hasn't really thought the instructions though have they?
    <dutchfire> finds barcelona (size 2, 1 archer)
    <dutchfire> arete citizen coast -fish
    <Joe32320> that should be takable, might have one more archer when the time comes for war
    <dutchfire> turn 66
    <dutchfire> arete - HA -archer
    <dutchfire> NG - Monument - Worker (size 3)
    <dutchfire> HA #1 heals
    <dutchfire> worker mines
    <dutchfire> HA #2 goes west towards spain
    <dutchfire> NG worker in 9
    <dutchfire> arete - fish to coast
    <dutchfire> scout W-SW
    <Joe32320> NG = New Giruvegan?
    <dutchfire> yeah
    <dutchfire> HA #2 towards spanish copper
    <dutchfire> HA#1 still healing
    <dutchfire> this is turn 67 btw
    <Joe32320> is the copper connected?
    <dutchfire> no
    <Joe32320> good, no need to stop then
    <dutchfire> turn 68
    <dutchfire> arete archer -settler
    <dutchfire> (to be ready in 7)
    <dutchfire> edorai has grown, now unhealthy
    <Joe32320> alphapet in ??? turns?
    <dutchfire> 17
    <dutchfire> archer goes to future arkadia
    * Provo has joined #turnchat
    * Chieftess sets mode: +v Provo
    <dutchfire> horse archer #1 avoids barb on hill, going to strike next turn
    <Provo> hi
    <dutchfire> hi
    <Provo> ¨too sunny today :)
    <dutchfire> scout NW-NW
    <dutchfire> I know, I've got a sunburn
    <Provo> and Joe, good luck with Boris :)
    <dutchfire> Horse archer #2 SW-SW
    <Joe32320> I am not in London!!!! :D they can srcew themselves up if they want to, i don't care!
    <Provo> LOL
    <Joe32320> Provo, where are you, it's on the verge of raining here
    <Provo> Oslo right now
    <dutchfire> hindu missionary 2S2W of New Giruvegan (spanish)
    <Provo> but have been in London a lot
    <dutchfire> turn 69
    <Provo> NZL posted the worker actions?
    <dutchfire> edorai: monument - barracks
    <Provo> obviously, we need to connect the cities with roads, so I wonder what happened
    <dutchfire> horse archer #1 kills barb archer (99,1% odds)
    <dutchfire> health 4,3/6
    <dutchfire> exp 3/2
    <dutchfire> HA SW
    <Joe32320> there weren't that many instructions for the time to get to alpha so we should be able to fit some road works in
    <dutchfire> scout N
    <Provo> good one
    <Provo> roads are essential right now
    <dutchfire> ehm worker is currently mining that riverside hill near edorai, will road it next
    <dutchfire> turn 70
    <Provo> who originated these worker plans?
    <dutchfire> scout NW
    <Provo> except for the worker plans, I am all fine
    <dutchfire> I don't know, they were NZL's original instructions IIRC
    <dutchfire> horse archer #1 needs promotion, combat 1 I assume
    <Joe32320> They are in the orginal turnsession 5 instructions, don't knoww who made them, we were told to go with those instructions as well
    <Joe32320> dutchfire beat me to it
    <dutchfire> scout sees unimproved banana's near madrid as well
    <Provo> take combat 1 then
    <Provo> sounds good
    <dutchfire> worker finishes mine, starts road :)
    <Joe32320> combat 1 it's defending against barbs, no need for flank
    <dutchfire> horse archer #1 gets combat 1, heals
    <dutchfire> find unimproved copper 3N2W of madrid
    <Provo> interesting
    <dutchfire> the scout will keep a lookout for the copper, while the horse archer watches the other
    <dutchfire> pig tile goes from Edorai (happiness limit) to Arete (building settler)
    <dutchfire> turn 72
    <dutchfire> hatsheput adopts slavery
    <dutchfire> great wall built in a far away land
    <Joe32320> got to go for a minute hope to be back
    * Joe32320 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving)
    <dutchfire> provo, what should the worker do next? mine another hill?
    <Provo> road Edorai
    <Provo> to let resources flow between
    <Provo> I am amazed that had been delayed
    <dutchfire> already been done :)
    <Provo> ok :)
    <Provo> maybe road towards future Arkadia as well
    <dutchfire> another mine would make edorai food neutral, which is good
    <Provo> ok do that
    <Provo> at least you MM better than your Flemish neighbor
    <dutchfire> worker E
    <dutchfire> turn 73
    <dutchfire> edorai finishes barracks
    <dutchfire> starts archer
    <dutchfire> worker mines
    <dutchfire> New Giruvegan border pop
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    * Chieftess sets mode: +v Joe32320
    <Joe32320> Hi again
    <Provo> hi
    <dutchfire> HA # 1 goes SW-SW to find some more barbs
    <Joe32320> Had to move the rabbit hutch
    <Provo> rabbit?
    <dutchfire> turn 74
    <Joe32320> Pet rabbit, the hutch had to be moved so my dad could go on a murder spree with the weeds
    <dutchfire> alphabet in 10
    <dutchfire> Hatsheput asks us to convert to Hinduism
    <dutchfire> Lincoln and her are hindu
    <dutchfire> but it will cost us a turn
    <dutchfire> refusing will give us a -1 diplo hit, but she won't like us anyway :devil:
    <Joe32320> Go for it, i am assuming this would be what the triads would do
    <dutchfire> my vote would be refusing, I don't like the anarchy
    <dutchfire> provo, you're the tiebreaker
    <Provo> we are not converting yet
    <dutchfire> turn 75
    <Provo> we decide our timing later
    <dutchfire> okay
    <Joe32320> Normally i wouldn't convert for the record
    <Provo> the Triad policy is to delay civic change till later (Prime Faction election)
    <dutchfire> "Our people will never give up their beliefs"
    <Provo> after Alphabet, we will know what civics are in reach
    <Joe32320> Ok thats makes sense
    <dutchfire> arete finishes settler, no more instructions (just Library?)
    <Provo> so, the perfect timing is to go for a civic change after today, and base faction platforms on civics
    <Joe32320> Library sounds good
    <Provo> library is the policy
    <Provo> leveraging Philosophical trait
    <dutchfire> NZL has Library?, and I agree, we want to run scientists there, since it has a lot of good food
    <dutchfire> library it is!
    <Joe32320> thats what i was thinking :)
    <Provo> the idea is to specialize the four city states
    <Provo> NG for wonders and religious builds, Arkadia for commerce, Arete for science etc and Warlord City for troops
    <dutchfire> new giruvegan finishes workers
    <dutchfire> archer is next
    <Joe32320> how many turns to alpha, keep losing track
    <dutchfire> 9
    <Provo> remember to post screenies every 5 t
    <dutchfire> (they change every now and then, with tile changes)
    <Provo> at least next one
    <dutchfire> what should New Giruvegan worker do?
    <dutchfire> irrigate rice I suppose
    <Joe32320> mine copper is what i read in the instruction thread!?
    <dutchfire> okay
    <Provo> irrigate rice would have been smarter
    <dutchfire> I couldn't find it, but I knew something was sai
    <dutchfire> d
    <Provo> but if they want bronze, so it is
    <Provo> but some vouched rice first
    <Provo> since thats the only way to grow the city
    <dutchfire> Arkadia 5W1N
    <dutchfire> right?
    <Provo> yes
    <Provo> your city
    <Joe32320> yep
    <Provo> so you know
    <Provo> guess the river connectivity played in there
    <Joe32320> yeah and the fact it's near the cap
    <Provo> that is also key
    <Provo> as well as linking up NG
    <Joe32320> and a good commerce city as a result of being on the river
    <Provo> how far to alpha?
    <dutchfire> turn 76
    <Joe32320> with some decent production
    <Joe32320> 7 or 8
    <Provo> ok
    <dutchfire> edorai finishes archer
    <dutchfire> starts horse archer according to instructions (no stable?)
    <Joe32320> Stable would be best surely Provo? get those extra xp
    <dutchfire> NG worker mines copper
    <Provo> what was the order?
    <Provo> I would go for stable
    <dutchfire> Edorai: (new name of Warlord City, explanation: Edo was a Japanese Warrior City, and Rai is Japanese for Thunder: Warlord's

    <dutchfire> Roleplay Decision, not in Sunshine violation)
    <dutchfire> Barracks
    <dutchfire> Archer
    <dutchfire> Horse Archer
    <Provo> Dutch ?
    <dutchfire> citizen in edorai from forest to mine, city no food neutral
    <Provo> that added XP would be real good
    <dutchfire> I'd go for a stable
    <Provo> stable then
    <Joe32320> so would i
    <Provo> I back up on that
    <Provo> we already got two untrained HA out
    <Joe32320> thanks :)
    <dutchfire> If you want, I could stop now, since I've hit the "all spanish land explored" clause
    <Provo> some of the Warlords players were more in for the read etc, not as routinized as some of us
    <Provo> go on
    <Provo> we need Alpha and we already got one stop
    <dutchfire> edorai starts stable
    <Joe32320> go on, i don't see why we should stop, we need more troops anyway before we plan something
    <dutchfire> turn 77
    <dutchfire> edorai worker towards Arkadia if that's okay with you provo
    <Joe32320> 6 to alpha?
    <dutchfire> 7
    <Joe32320> close!
    <dutchfire> arkadia founded 5W1N
    <dutchfire> starts monument
    <Provo> congrats
    <dutchfire> making arkadia screenshot
    <Joe32320> still deserted in the forums
    <dutchfire> oracle build IFAL
    <dutchfire> worker going towards arkadia
    <Joe32320> IFAL??
    <dutchfire> in far away land
    <dutchfire> horse archer #1 still looking for pray
    <dutchfire> turn 79
    <Provo> interesting
    <dutchfire> edorai borders expand
    <dutchfire> worker starts cottage
    <Provo> nice
    <Provo> Phallic symbol worked out for Edorai
    <dutchfire> new Giruvegan copper mine finished
    <Provo> the forums will be deserted till Alphabet is done
    <Provo> thats how it works
    <Provo> NZL got no clue about coreographing and stimulating forum activity, which is why he stopped at Hinduism
    <dutchfire> NG worker: road the copper or farm the rice?
    <dutchfire> I'd say road the copper, we're now on the hill
    <Joe32320> road the copper
    <dutchfire> road copper it is
    <Provo> road copper
    <Provo> then rice
    <dutchfire> horse archer #1 finds warrior, has 99.9% odds, and kills him without taking a scratch
    <Provo> no need to waste moves
    <Provo> nice
    <Provo> promo?
    <Provo> xp`
    <Provo> ?
    <dutchfire> 4/5 xp
    <Provo> Rename the promoted one (HA) for Warlord Nizol
    <Provo> NZLs character name
    <dutchfire> turn 81
    <Provo> we need something for the roleplayers I think
    <dutchfire> NG finishes archer, what should it build?
    <Provo> whats in line?
    <dutchfire> instructions have run out
    <Provo> either archer or worker
    <Provo> worker would be good
    <dutchfire> we can build a barracks, granary, library, or axeman
    <dutchfire> we already have a worker there
    <dutchfire> and the city is still growing
    <Provo> granary would be good there
    <Provo> due to rice presence
    <Provo> gives health bonus and faster growth
    <dutchfire> I'd like an axeman, as it's our only city with copper
    <Provo> library too
    <Provo> axeman not needed yet
    <Provo> but we may need it for the war
    <Provo> do axeman then
    <dutchfire> spain is mining it's north western copper now btw
    <Provo> well, we got to hurry after this
    <Joe32320> is the copper on a hill?
    <Provo> before they change their military structure
    <dutchfire> no, it's not on a hill
    <Joe32320> Damn, so they must have bronze
    <Provo> well, we know where to pillage next
    <dutchfire> (they're in slavery)
    <Provo> but we play out alphabet first
    <Provo> the plan is to trade a bit
    <Provo> then declare
    <dutchfire> okay
    <dutchfire> that mine will be ready in 3, like our alphabet
    <dutchfire> should give us just enough time
    <Provo> otherwise the alphabet gambit would have had no bearing
    <dutchfire> btw we have got our first hamlet
    <Provo> congrats
    <Provo> remember to move out all forces from spain
    <Provo> due to open border agreement
    <dutchfire> NG worker farms rice
    <Provo> they will automatically be placed back in our cities if we declare while they are there
    <Joe32320> just get close, then declare the troops will still have full movement
    <Provo> yeah
    <Provo> just by the border
    <Joe32320> they get thrown out the borders, not to our cities
    <dutchfire> I'm moving away the HA
    <dutchfire> I'll keep the scout watching the copper if you don't mind
    <Joe32320> yeah thats fine
    <dutchfire> edorai starts horsearcher (finished stable)
    <dutchfire> I'm pulling back the anti-barb horse archer towards spain too
    <Provo> scout is fine
    <dutchfire> our cities are barb proof now anyway
    <Provo> yeah
    <Provo> archery was key
    <Provo> position the healing warband with the Axeman
    <Provo> make them go in tandem
    <dutchfire> okay
    <Provo> warrior is useless alone anyways
    <dutchfire> I'll do that when the axe is finished (2 turns from now)
    <dutchfire> spain finishes copper mine
    <Joe32320> alpha next turn
    <dutchfire> turn 84
    <dutchfire> "Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and kind, they can change our world"
    <Provo> nice
    <Provo> do some post alpha mapping
    <Provo> demographics screen etc
    <dutchfire> ending TC now
    <Joe32320> Well done
    <Joe32320> :)
    <Provo> yeah, but get some info :)
    <Provo> well done DF
    <dutchfire> set currency (of course:p) as place holder
    <Provo> update all wonders made out there
    <Joe32320> we would have never guess DF! :p
    <Provo> and map potential tech trades
    <dutchfire> arete finishes library, barracks placeholder
    <Provo> nice with library there
    <dutchfire> wonders built: lighthouse, oracle, great wall, stonehenge
    <dutchfire> (TGL in Babylon)
    <Provo> interesting
    <Provo> all stone wonders gone then
    <dutchfire> we're up alphabet+hunting on both
    <Provo> I would fish up all religious techs from Spain, plus Masonry, and get Aesthetics
    <dutchfire> correction alphabet + HBR
    <dutchfire> hunting on Hatsheput
    <Provo> for Statue of Zeus (Ivory) and the Paya (Gold)
    <Joe32320> good do they have something to offer us?
    <Joe32320> Notre Dame is a stone wonder?
    <Provo> yes
    <Provo> Notre is stone
    <Provo> but Paya is real good
    <dutchfire> hatsheput will give us meditation + masonry for alphabet
    <Provo> religous civic at will
    <Provo> we need to discuss trade strategies in the forums
    <Provo> but all this is good stuff
    <dutchfire> free religion 1000 years early
    <Provo> yeah
    <Provo> you see its a nice vision DF
    <Provo> since we got the resources
    <Provo> Gold for Paya
    <Joe32320> well it's worth putting it up for disscussion :)
    <Provo> only requires Meditation and Aesthetics, plus Masonry
    <Provo> it sure is
    <Provo> especially for the sectarians in NG
    <Provo> who breathe religion
    <dutchfire> i'm feeling more positive about war now
    <Provo> positive in what sense?
    <Joe32320> me too.
    <Provo> were you skeptical ?
    <dutchfire> yeah
    <dutchfire> I was
    <dutchfire> but spain doesn't have hunting
    <Provo> we got a strong lead
    <dutchfire> = no spearmen
    <Provo> and the perfect timing is right after our trades
    <Joe32320> yep
    <Provo> Alphabet and Horseback Riding for all they got
    <Provo> HBR in round one
    <Provo> to avoid Lincoln and Hatsepshut trade together
    <Provo> do the Hindu revolution first then
    <Provo> and then add in Slavery and Organized Religion
    <Provo> and then Declare
    <Provo> but these are just ideas
    <Provo> surely Spain will fall
    <dutchfire> I've got city screens, wonder screen, overview of spain
    <Joe32320> but along the right lines at least
    <Provo> with horse supremacy
    <dutchfire> any more screenshots?
    <Provo> demographics?
    <Provo> and city rank ?
    <dutchfire> we can only see lincoln
    <dutchfire> city rank as in top 5 cities? (that's the wonder screen)
    <Provo> because we did not use the espionage slider correctly
    <Provo> 3-1 was my suggestion
    <Joe32320> hmm, relocate the EP to 2-2 (spain and Babylon)
    <dutchfire> 3-1 Lincoln - Hatsheput
    <Provo> city rank top 5 yes
    <Joe32320> we did that, but for a bit too long!
    <Provo> ok, we do some trades now etc
    <Provo> so it will work out
    <Provo> 3 turns or so before war breaks out
    <Joe32320> We don't really need Spains demographics, we have seen alot of what they are doing
    <Provo> yeah
    <Provo> it is predictable
    <dutchfire> I say, trade this turn, and declare
    <Provo> and HA kill off warriors and archers nicely
    <Provo> trade all techs, then declare
    <Provo> trade as well as convert
    <dutchfire> we can only trade for these 2 techs with spain
    <Provo> yes
    <Provo> but converting also gives a possibly in game random event
    <Provo> crusade
    <Provo> 1 t trade HBR to both nations
    <Joe32320> 50% chance isn't
    <Provo> 2 t, trade alpha to both nations
    <Provo> its worth the gamble
    <Provo> we talk 1 turn here more
    <Provo> 3 t, change hinduism, slavery and one more
    <dutchfire> I disagree, the sooner we cut their copper supply, the easier the war will be
    <Provo> then declare
    <Joe32320> oh yeah, plus the relationship with lincoln going up
    <Provo> but we can handle 2-3 turns
    <Provo> to milk out all the advantages pre-war
    <dutchfire> btw, revolting can also be done during the war
    <Provo> we need hindu first
    <Provo> then declare
    <Provo> will also buffer Lincoln as well
    <dutchfire> we don't have to be hindu to declare
    <Provo> but this is prime faction material
    <Provo> we dont have to
    <Provo> but some of us want the quest thing
    <Provo> being over-rational is boring
    <Provo> we want the juice as well
    <Provo> anyhow, the forums will be reinvigorated by all this
    <Provo> and perfect conclusion before an election
    <Joe32320> hopefully
    <Provo> so thank you for that
    <Provo> NZL did a big mistake by quitting 4 t into a playsession
    <Provo> then not concluding properly
    <dutchfire> hmm, where can I find the HOF autolog?
    <Joe32320> in the chatlog panal i think
    <Joe32320> are the elections tomorrow


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    Turn 61/500 (1560 BC) [04-May-2008 12:43:45]

    IBT:

    Turn 62/500 (1520 BC) [04-May-2008 14:01:56]
    Edorai grows: 3

    IBT:

    Turn 63/500 (1480 BC) [04-May-2008 14:04:40]

    IBT:

    Turn 64/500 (1440 BC) [04-May-2008 14:08:07]
    A Cottage was built near Arete

    IBT:

    Turn 65/500 (1400 BC) [04-May-2008 14:10:55]
    While attacking in the wild near Dur-Kurigalzu, #1 (Horse Archer) defeats (5.28/6): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    Arete finishes: Horse Archer
    New Giruvegan grows: 3
    New Giruvegan finishes: Monument

    IBT:
    State Religion Change: Lincoln(Babylon) from 'no State Religion' to 'Hinduism'

    Turn 66/500 (1360 BC) [04-May-2008 14:13:44]
    Arete begins: Archer (3 turns)
    New Giruvegan begins: Worker (10 turns)

    IBT:

    Turn 67/500 (1320 BC) [04-May-2008 14:16:38]
    Arete finishes: Archer
    Edorai grows: 4

    IBT:

    Turn 68/500 (1280 BC) [04-May-2008 14:18:20]
    Arete begins: Settler (10 turns)
    Edorai finishes: Monument

    IBT:

    Turn 69/500 (1240 BC) [04-May-2008 14:22:37]
    Edorai begins: Barracks (7 turns)
    While attacking in the wild near New Giruvegan, #1 (Horse Archer) defeats (4.32/6): Barbarian Archer (Prob Victory: 99.1%)
    A Mine was built near Edorai

    IBT:
    Hinduism has spread: New Giruvegan

    Turn 70/500 (1200 BC) [04-May-2008 14:25:03]
    #1 (Horse Archer) promoted: Combat I

    IBT:

    Turn 71/500 (1160 BC) [04-May-2008 14:27:45]

    IBT:
    Civics Change: Hatshepsut(Spain) from 'Tribalism' to 'Slavery'

    Turn 72/500 (1120 BC) [04-May-2008 14:30:11]
    New Giruvegan's borders expand
    Edorai finishes: Barracks

    IBT:

    Turn 73/500 (1080 BC) [04-May-2008 14:33:27]
    Edorai begins: Archer (4 turns)

    IBT:

    Turn 74/500 (1040 BC) [04-May-2008 14:35:21]
    Arete finishes: Settler
    New Giruvegan finishes: Worker

    IBT:

    Turn 75/500 (1000 BC) [04-May-2008 14:36:47]
    Arete begins: Library (13 turns)
    New Giruvegan begins: Archer (4 turns)
    New Giruvegan begins: Archer (4 turns)
    Edorai finishes: Archer

    IBT:

    Turn 76/500 (975 BC) [04-May-2008 14:47:32]
    Edorai begins: Horse Archer (8 turns)
    A Mine was built near Edorai
    Edorai begins: Stable (7 turns)

    IBT:

    Turn 77/500 (950 BC) [04-May-2008 14:52:57]
    Kyoto founded
    Arkadia begins: Monument (15 turns)

    IBT:

    Turn 78/500 (925 BC) [04-May-2008 14:57:44]
    Edorai's borders expand

    IBT:

    Turn 79/500 (900 BC) [04-May-2008 14:59:29]
    A Mine was built near New Giruvegan

    IBT:

    Turn 80/500 (875 BC) [04-May-2008 15:01:15]
    While attacking in the wild, #1 (Horse Archer) defeats (6.00/6): Barbarian Warrior (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
    A Hamlet was built near Arete
    New Giruvegan finishes: Archer

    IBT:
    Hinduism has spread: Edorai

    Turn 81/500 (850 BC) [04-May-2008 15:04:21]
    New Giruvegan begins: Barracks (4 turns)
    New Giruvegan begins: Axeman (5 turns)

    IBT:

    Turn 82/500 (825 BC) [04-May-2008 15:09:05]
    A Cottage was built near Arkadia
    Edorai finishes: Stable

    IBT:
    Hinduism has spread: Arkadia

    Turn 83/500 (800 BC) [04-May-2008 15:11:08]
    Edorai begins: Horse Archer (6 turns)
    Tech learned: Alphabet
    Arete finishes: Library

    IBT:

    Turn 84/500 (775 BC) [04-May-2008 15:13:41]
    Research begun: Currency (28 Turns)
    Arete begins: Barracks (3 turns)
    Research begun: Aesthetics (15 Turns)
     

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