Mise
isle of lucy
Jail?
Jail?
I sympathize with Israel alot, actually. I just know enough about human decency that I can tell you that using a child as a human shield is not a good thing, whoever does it.
And frankly? Israelis and Palestinians are exactly the same. They're all people, some of whom are complete human garbage, and most of whom just want to live their lives in peace. Objectifying Israelis as better than Palestinians somehow is complete bullcrap, and does nothing but stoke the hatred.
Really?
Because other people seem to think you're saying exactly that.
I'm not outraged at this, and in fact I'm more depressed at how often I'm hearing about horrible things being done (by both sides) in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
I am, however, in disbelief at some of the things you've been saying.
You'd think everyone on most of the forums out there would be able to at least unanimously agree that using children as human shields is something that deserves punishment...
What's the ordinary charges for using human shields and attempted murder of a child?
I would think reckless endangement of a child would carry more than 1 year. Plus, if they possessed a weapon while commiting the crime, that's a five year mandatory add-on in civilan courts. Don't know how soft the military is on that crime.Depends on how they charge it.
Under the UCMJ most appropriate charge is probably 'Reckless Endangerment' and carries a maximum sentence of only 1 year confinement.
What they did doesnt meet the criteria for 'attempted murder', but in reading the elements of reckless endangerment - well, thats spot right on.
I would think reckless endangement of a child would carry more than 1 year.
Plus, if they possessed a weapon while commiting the crime, that's a five year mandatory add-on in civilan courts.
Don't know how soft the military is on that crime.
Great. When you can quote me saying the opposite then we can talk about that instead of what I actually said.
Or more accurately its simple reality, demonstrated as such by countless real world examples.
Thats nice, quote me.
Please give me an analogous Israeli action to Munich. There are a dozen more like it that are equally impossible to find analogies for.
No, you are in disbelief of reality or your imagination unless you want to quote me.
Please quote where I said something indicated it doesn't.
1 year is far too lenient. If that's the maximum sentence for using a child as a human shield in the US, I despair.
You could probably charge assault in this case and get up to 8 years:You can think what you want. Thats what the UCMJ says under maximum punishment for the offense.
So you at least agree with that?
Thank God.
So let me get this straight, you're saying the the Israeli people are better in general than the Palestinian people?
Take note that I'm not talking about their governments, or their militaries, or whatever their resident extremists have done: I'm talking about the normal civilians.
*Points to the other people who think that's what you were implying*
When other people think you're saying something, it just miiiight be because it sounded like you were saying it.
If it wasn't, then fine.
Well, the obvious answer is that using children as human shields comes pretty close.
That said, I don't think past actions by either side are relevant when it comes to saying what the IDF soldiers did was reprehensible, and I'd be saying the same thing if Hamas/Fatah did the same.
And I wasn't trying to say that their actions were of equally horrible magnitude either, as I don't particularly enjoy spending my time contemplating atrocities. I was simply making the point that reports of horrific violence have sadly become routine in the region.
The bit above about Israelis being better people than Palestinians is an example.
Your essentially defending human shields by bringing up Munich is another.
So we can at least agree that regardless of past actions from both sides, using a child as a human shield is a bad thing.
I'm depressed I even have to clarify that with you.
What's the ordinary charges for using human shields and attempted murder of a child?
Seriously?Please give me an analogous Israeli action to Munich. There are a dozen more like it that are equally impossible to find analogies for
You could probably charge assault in this case and get up to 8 years:
(7) Assault consummated by a battery upon a child under 16 years. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 2 years.
(8) Assault with a dangerous weapon or other means of force to produce death or grievous bodily harm.
(a) When committed with a loaded firearm. Dishonorable discharge, forfeiture of all pay and allowances, and confinement for 8 years.