U. N. Corruption branches out into prostituion-enslavement

Shocking. Corruption and vice in the pure UN? :eek: Say it ain't so!:rolleyes:

To me the UN is much like communism, It sounds good in theory, but completely ignores human nature. Except with the UN it is the nation nature.
 
What do you expect from an organization that told Israel to back off from lebanon so they can put their troops their, and when they did they allowed the hizbullah to kidnap 3 Israeli soldiers while VIDEOTAPING it and they didnt even want to show the video tape to the families of the kidnapped soldiers untill the end of a long hassle between them and the Israeli government.

They also declared Zionism is Racism, which is one of the most pro-arab taxlips corrupt stupid decisions I have ever heard of.

What did they also do? oh yeah, they let arab countries start wars against us over and over again and when in the yom kippur war we started to fight normal and to conquer their territories they said the war must stop now...

I never liked the UN, and I never will. It is UNable :)
 
I'm not from Isreal,
I'm not Jewish,
I've never been to Isreal.

But I agree with IceBlaZe to the fullest extent possible. The United Nations takes ridiculous stands on Isreal's ability to act as a nation (sadly, the UN is ignorant to understand that they are not a nation, except under the influence of petty bullying).

They declare Zionism to be "racist", but what do they do about Islamic fundamentalists that shout "death to Isreal"? Reward them.

I hope this (scandal) gets publicized in every newspaper on the planet, only further exposing how obsolete, ignorant, and corrupt that the United Nations really is.
 
Then what do you want in place of or to replace the UN?

The UN may be a weak and self-conflicting organisation but that's only to be expected when it was a battleground for the US and the Soviets and their allies and 3rd World countries for much of its existense. W/o control over its own financial resources (it's dependent on member nations' dues) or forces (it's dependent on forces donated/pledged by member nations), it won't ever amount to much.

Considering the nature of UN and the budget and resources it has to work with and the antagoism fr the US, it's amazing it's still standing today.

And finally, the entire setup and organisation of the UN was by the US originally (in San Francisco 1945, the first general meeting), so if you want to blame the reason for the useless UN and its rules, you know who to look for.
 
The UN's not perfect, and does a lot of crappy things, especially in case of Israel, and corruption in the orginization itself, and ineffectiveness in some of its tasks.

But the UN is still useful. It can be a rough barometer of world support, and it can also set standards that be used to pressure other countries. That, and it has made some excellent documents, such as the Declaration of Human Rights.

It is what it is, a forum of global diplomacy, which is a good thing to have.
 
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Originally posted by atawa
Anyway, if the UN declared zionism racism then most of the world thinks the same way and the US didnt even veto it....says a lot dont you think?
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Bull----...

You really believe that some diplomats that don't pay their parking tickets (before Guiliani, that is) speak for the entire world? You may as well have said that everyone in Germany supported Hitler and everyone in Russia supported Stalin -- reality is, it's not true.

Anything the United Nations says is usually the complete opposite of reality.

Also, on the topic of "racism", I'll admit -- I believe in racial profiling, so you can demonize me all you like, but would YOU be willing to die because you wanted to save an Arab two minutes of time?
 
Mad-dog Atawa has an apt choice for a role model...a loon.
PS
The Israel vs Pastenian situation is a mess,

Both sides are equal villians from my point of view...:(
 
Originally posted by atawa

1, take away their land and homes
2, take away their buisneses and jobs
3, put them in fenced area's where they had to live in tents and rot away without sanatation, schools, hospitals etc
4, take away their civil rigths, their citizenship
5, just basicly made secondclass human beings out of them.

I see al these things happening in Israel where those same zionists shot the only sensible leader they had in the last 20 years, Mr Rabin, a verry wise man who wanted to put an end to all this ****.
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1. In the zionism wave, the zionists bought lands from the palestiniens and hired them as workers and farmers, because we had no knowledge about it, therfor creating job places
2. Thanks to the Palestinien Authority, the palestinien economy will never be good, so the palestiniens come to Israel to work, but when they started to use the passages and the work places to take intelligence info about how brutal the next suicide act can get, and to passage and hide dynamites, and to pass through terrorists, to murder Israelies, we said stop. We owe them nothing, its our companies, its our lands, we bought them, we got them, the UN declared on them, its our country, the UN also accepts that, if they want to work on it, sure, but first stop the terrorism, stop taking advantage of it to blow up Israelis.
3. 1948. UN declares israel will be split to a jewish country and an arab country. Jews say ok, Arabs say no. The palestiniens, along with all countries that sorround Israel declared war on us, and the arab countries told the palestineins to live on refugee camps because as soon as they wipe us to the sea they get to live all over Israel. Thats why they are in those 'tents'.
About the fences, you go to negotiation, offer them all the lands they want, and they dont accept, you tell them to act against terror, you lift the closures, and a terror wave hits. so what do you have to do when the only effective solution against terror is closures? use them, or use the liar non-helpful arafat, that untill now done barely nothing to stop terror, even now europe blesses him for his 'work' when all he done was listen to the decisions of the islamic jihad and the hamas, arresting some protesters, putting some leaders on home arrests, with the ability to use phones and communication devices. that can be very effective against planning the next suicide attack.
4. They fight against Israel, they blow us up, they fail to recognize its existence, what citizenship should they get in Israel? are you making a joke out of this? They live in PALESTINE and not Israel.
5. Yeah, that along with the 'Ethnic Clensing', 'Enslavement', 'Shooting Uranium bullets', using gas chambers and what more stuff you got from the very-successful palestinien propaganda in europe and south africa (durban).

Yeah, rabin was a great leader, he was shot by an INDIVIDUAL. that makes us all stupid? that makes us all anti-peace? that makes us all racist?
You have no knowledge of what happened in this land around the last 12 decades, and you have no knowledge of the opinions in the Israeli society, and you start blaming around stupid ridicoulous prejudgments such as 'Zionism is fascism'. Well, you are right, we should all drop zionism and go spread back all over europe. We all remembered what happened when 6 million jews lived there, dont we?
 
Fascism:

Characteristics of Fascist Philosophy
Fascism, especially in its early stages, is obliged to be antitheoretical and frankly opportunistic in order to appeal to many diverse groups. Nevertheless, a few key concepts are basic to it. First and most important is the glorification of the state and the total subordination of the individual to it. The state is defined as an organic whole into which individuals must be absorbed for their own and the state's benefit. This total state is absolute in its methods and unlimited by law in its control and direction of its citizens.

A second ruling concept of fascism is embodied in the theory of social Darwinism. The doctrine of survival of the fittest and the necessity of struggle for life is applied by fascists to the life of a nation-state. Peaceful, complacent nations are seen as doomed to fall before more dynamic ones, making struggle and aggressive militarism a leading characteristic of the fascist state. Imperialism is the logical outcome of this dogma.

Another element of fascism is its elitism. Salvation from rule by the mob and the destruction of the existing social order can be effected only by an authoritarian leader who embodies the highest ideals of the nation. This concept of the leader as hero or superman, borrowed in part from the romanticism of Friedrich Nietzsche, Thomas Carlyle, and Richard Wagner, is closely linked with fascism's rejection of reason and intelligence and its emphasis on vision, creativeness, and the will.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/04382CharacteristicsofFascistPhilosophy.html

Zionism:

Zionism
The Balfour Declaration and Settlement in Palestine
After Herzl's death, the Zionist movement came under the leadership of Chaim Weizmann, who sought to reconcile the practical wing of the movement, which sought to further Jewish settlement in Palestine, and its political wing, which stressed the establishment of a Jewish state. Weizmann obtained few concessions from the Turkish sultan, who ruled Palestine; however, in 1917, Great Britain, then at war with Turkey, issued the Balfour Declaration (see Balfour, Arthur James), which promised to help establish a national home for the Jewish people in Palestine. Great Britain was given a mandate of Palestine in 1920 by the League of Nations, in part to implement the Balfour Declaration.

Jewish colonization vastly increased in the early years of the mandate (see Palestine for the period up to 1948), but soon the British limited their interpretation of the declaration in the face of Arab pressure. There were disputes in the Zionist movement on how to counter the British position. The right-wing Revisionists, led by Vladimir Jabotinsky, favored large-scale immigration to Palestine to force the creation of a Jewish state. The most conciliatory faction was the General Zionists (representing the original national organizations), who generally remained friendly to Great Britain.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/articles/14186TheBalfourDeclarationandSettlementinPalestine.html


If you find a strong relation between the two I will give you a candy :)

Also, Dont forget to take a look at:
http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/zisr.html
http://www.adl.org/durban/zionism.asp
 
The UN is a complete waste of time, speaking from a purely geopolitical viewpoint. Speaking as a Christian, I can assure you that it won't last much longer, only until the end of this system of things.

So be happy! :D Soon it won't even be a bad memory. I'm really looking forward to not recalling the former things, if I get that far...
 
Hey man I can understand where you're comming from, met some Israeli's on my travels that became good friends of mine, BUT, I think that the hate against palestinians and muslims that you are preaching in these forums is just way off, IMHO both Israeli's and Palestinians act just as crazy, try to divert every argument I give you, but just face the fact that you belong to a nation that just murders your so called 'enemy's', dont givving a fucck if you kill some little children on the same mission.
Dont even try and tell me this isnt true, it happened just 2 weeks ago.......


Live long and prosper, hopefully together............................
 
Atawa:
What do you expect, no casualties on a war?
Yes, we do unfortunately kill youngsters, but we dont aim live weapons at them, and we dont kill them by purpose, and the ones we do are the ones that throw molotov cocktales on our soldiers and they are the ones that the palestinien authority manipulated to fight at the front.
The only people you should blame for all of this death of youngsters is the manipulation and the incitement of the education the palestinien authority implements, you can find dozens of articles about it, just search in the internet.
War is war - when you chop wood dont be surprised about the wood chips flying around - when you send youngsters to throw molotov cocktails at tanks and live ammo in the front dont expect them to leave - and dont BS me about human rights, its either our soldiers or their kids when they fight at the front, a molotov cocktail thrown by a kid is as deadly as a molotov cocktail thrown by a grown up.

And about school kids getting accidently killed - if the palestiniens would stop using schools and civilian homes as shelter for terrorists and shooting places - maybe it would stop.

JUST REMEMBER: ISRAELIS DONT AIM LIVE WEAPONRY ON CIVILIANS ON PURPOSE, PALESTINIEN TERRORISTS DO.

And also dont bull**** me about hate against muslims - I might not love them but I am still very tolerant and I participate in an Israel-Arab enviromental forum in my city (Nahariya).
And the palestiniens dont love us either, infact, they are raised to hate the zionists and to act to destroy them, while the PA takes stept towards Active Racism-Terrorism, and in Israel you have Racism as result of war, everyone looks at Israel. for once in a while look at the other side that manipulates to hate and to destroy Israel.

And if you want to look about civilian casualties that are more than 3 times than what happened to the palestiniens just look at the war in afghanistan - I don't say I dont support it, but just dont be a hypocrit claming we violate UN resolutions or we violate human rights because of durban commitee while the UN supports a war that causes much more casualties than here.
And terror is terror - there is no good terror or bad terror - so Usama Bin Laden says its for the destruction of the west and america and the Hamas and Islamic Jihad say its for the destruction of all jewish essence in the middle east.
Its just the same thing, and it should be treated the same way.

And please look at the sites I posted in order to get objective opinions, and probably after you read what is fascism and what is zionism you can redraw from your declaration 'Zionism is Fascism' - riciolous to itself.
 
About schoolboys being killed:

I was talking about the little boy that was killed when Israeli apache hellicopters put a rocket in the car his father was driving.

If your country insists on murdering opponents instead of bringing them to justice, you might want to take a little more care and kill them when they are not driving their children to school....

Btw, murdering opponents instead of giving them an honest trial does sound like facism to me :(
 
Hi Atawa,

Fabeltjesland, if I remember correctly is in the Netherlands...

If you don't mind me asking, What is your interest in the Palestinian side of that conflict?

Just curious...
 
Same as the interest in the Israeli side basicly, only think that on these forums there is only one side of the story being told, the Israeli. That doesnt seem fair to me...
 
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