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U.S. Presidential Election 2024 Part II: 象対ロバ

I will never forget how stubborn they are.

Also, Republicans have the best hair. Trump, Gowdy, Bannon. Fuhgeddaboudit
 
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To elaborate on this claim I made late in the previous thread on why Greene (nor any who try to follow Trump, once he's off the political stage)

Second (and this will apply to most of the wannabes), she didn't start off as a celebrity. Trump has a whole persona to draw on that none of the rest of them will have. In the run-up to 2016, I saw one of these "interviews with the common man" and he said "Everything Trump does goes up and up, and everything Hillary does goes down and down." Of course that is untethered to reality, but it is tightly tethered to reality TV.

There is a good NYT piece today that makes essentially the same claim:

As "The Apprentice" fades farther in the rearview mirror, it is a mistake to forget that Mr. Trump is a celebrity first and politician second. Nearly a decade later, he still isn't affected by the same laws of gravity that govern nearly every other political figure -- including his Republican imitators and impostors.
my bolding.
 
I think that Trump has a character that can’t be emulated, part of which I think ties to his ego: he genuinely enjoys being the center stage act, and I think the imitators can’t. Maybe it is because they are more ideological, maybe some are uncomfortable in the position (even though they ran for it and sought it), or something else that they just lack and it shows.

Now to not come off as just praising Trump, I want to make it clear I’m saying he has a skill set that includes this performance part of it. Joe Biden doesn’t have that, but I would say that Biden’s skill set is an entirely different one of working the machine in Congress, campaigning in the traditional style, and organizing for it. Out of 300,000,000+ Americans, only 100 are in the Senate at any given time and there are … five? living ex-Presidents.

But the above about skill sets not matching, that’s neither here nor there with the internal party politics and jostling for position. I think Greene is the kind that after her tenure is up, she’ll kind of be forgotten. Almost totally forgotten.

Remember Tom Tancredo? Neither does anyone else.
 
I think Greene has the very specific thing you isolate: craving the spotlight. She's just not as good an entertainer as Trump once she gets it. She's just crass and nothing else.

Anyway, this is just in support of my broad thesis that, post Trump, the Republican party will be, for some time, simply at a loss. Their voters will crave Trump and nothing but Trump. Trump is inimitable, so they won't be able to give them another Trump. Everything they try to give them will feel like a disappointment. I think that will be the watchword among Republicans for four election cycles after Trump: "disappointing." "He (/she) is no Trump; that I can tell you."

The eleven million that are just Trump voters will evaporate. (Now, so will, on the other side, the twelve million who are just anti-Trump voters)
 
The inimitable hair of Reagan didn't exactly decrease energy for his having passed.

But sure. Nobody else makes you wanna win one for the Gip quite so bad.;)
 
Don't tempt me to make a thread on the hairstyles of world leaders.
 
^^Reagan had some of the same things to draw on as Trump: preceding celebrity status. (Though it was a different era. Initially that was a mark against him as a politician and he had to go demonstrate his political bona fides by being governor before the party and its voters would support him; the cult of celebrity is now so much more advanced that you can now go straight from celebrity to president).

But that's a good test case. So imagine some other Reagan-level celebrity trying to claim Trump's mantle. That person has the celebrity part down, as Greene does not. But that person will be deficient in other things that make Trump Trump.

One of those, for example, is his ability as a fabulist. Someone who can create a story and stick to it even after its falsification--wholly independent of its connection to reality. I don't just mean lying. Tons of politicians can lie. But creating and selling people on a narrative through sheer, dogged repetition, utterly irrespective of its connection to the world of objective fact.

Near me is a Trump supporter with a "Save America Again" flag. This person believes that America was unsaved under Obama, saved for a while under Trump; it's unsaved now under Biden, but it could be saved again under Trump. By any objective measure, America hasn't gone through three 180-degree turns in the last seven years, and yet that's how this woman sees it and experiences it. This ability, selling people on wonderful things in store, he probably got as a real-estate visionary i.e. huckster.

There's more. There's his wealth and how he works with it. He condescends in the non-pejorative sense of that term; people love it that he could afford to eat the most expensive meals but eats Big Macs just like they do. But that means that the full Trump successor also needs to be rich. Now, that might be true of many celebrities. But most don't have a decades-long reputation for being both rich and tacky.

I'm going to work it out as a full-fledged thesis. Because people here sometimes reference it, and not always accurately. It deserves to be all spelled out in one place.
 
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It doesn't take a Trump to look rich. Anyone who doesn't stress at Dollar General is a good start. And yes, that he's not too good for your special day-out food, rather than treating it like convenient form of slumming it, is an enormous check in his column.
 
Oh look, the liberals here having digested the possibility of Trump part two are consoling themselves that someday someway somehow the sun will shine again.

I get it. I advise you all to keep your eye on the ball, Putin and his nukes and his BFF Xi are the real dangers here.

Edit: Also, Trump is a New Yorker. His political core balance is the old moderate Democrat thinking. He just does the other stuff for effect.
 
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Oh look, the liberals here having digested the possibility of Trump part two are consoling themselves that someday someway somehow the sun will shine again.
Well, my argument is independent of the results of the 2024 election.

It should start with the sentence:

"Whenever Trump is off the political scene for good--either because he has passed away, or served a second term, or is confined in a supermax prison--Republicans will go through several election cycles where the only thing they will feel about the candidates who emerge will be disappointment."
 
Well, my argument is independent of the results of the 2024 election.

It should start with the sentence:

"Whenever Trump is off the political scene for good--either because he has passed away, or served a second term, or is confined in a supermax prison--Republicans will go through several election cycles where the only thing they will feel about the candidates who emerge will be disappointment."
I get what you are saying, and you are probably right. The landscape is barren with Limbaugh out of the picture. For all of the talk about Fox news they've never moved the needle much.

But what will happen is we go back to the equilibrium that elected Bush Jr. and offered up RINOs like Dole, McCain and Romney. Rubio will probably be president or Haley, or DeSantis. DeSantis is the natural successor and people have written him down due to his showing but if Trump had dropped dead DeSantis would have cleaned Haley's clock and would have beaten Biden easily. Politics is timing and DeSantis hasn't had an opening yet.

But I am not sure he fits in the Reagan-Limbaugh-Trump line of succession. There may be a racial issue there to be honest. Some touted Carlson for the job but he is not substantive enough.
 
They are becoming Democrats, after all. Heroes have no place in that mentality. They're practically not even Americans. Doing things. Psch. Probably commies like Charlie. Real Americans have bone spurs and gigantic egos to back up their utter and total cowardice.
 
Trump had dropped dead DeSantis would have cleaned Haley's clock and would have beaten Biden easily. Politics is timing and DeSantis hasn't had an opening yet.
:lol: DeSantis was a loser from the start. He has even less personality and charisma than Biden. Perhaps though, more relevant is that DeSantis is way too short. Every presidnt since Regan has been over 6' tall (except W Bush [5'11"] and he was selected by SCOTUS). Al Gore is 6' 1". :D


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But what will happen is we go back to the equilibrium that elected Bush Jr. and offered up RINOs like Dole, McCain and Romney. Rubio will probably be president or Haley, or DeSantis.
Any of these might emerge as the candidates. I'd put Paul Ryan into the mix. But hanging over any of their campaigns will be a general sense of let-down and a lack of enthusiasm. "Is this the best we've got?" people will say, and say out loud, "Remember how fun everything was when Trump was ownin' the libs?" They'll all still be as much in his shadow as they were during this primary season. Wannabes. They'll call it the "post-Trump slump."

I am not saying that this guarantees the Dems will prevail. Every campaign is tasked with generating excitement. Some have that and some don't. Swalwell or Schiff would be perfect standard-bearers for Dem policies, but boring as dry toast. So I'm not presuming to know the net effect of Trump's departure from the scene. I just feel very certain that the wind will go out of the R party.

And part of the dynamic will be that people will be striving to reignite Trump's appeal. So they will be evidently lesser, manifestly lesser. And that will diminish them the more.

@Birdjaguar: I see they left 45 off your chart because he hasn't let us know his actual height!
 
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Republicans irked that Herschel Walker is sitting on millions in unspent campaign funds​

They say his money could go a long way to help the GOP.

Few are clamoring for Herschel Walker’s return to politics since he flamed out in his Georgia Senate bid nearly two years ago. But they sure are interested in his campaign cash.
Georgia and national Republicans, in dire need of money, are furious that Walker is sitting on more than $4 million in leftover campaign funds and seems to have no intention of using it to help the GOP or Donald Trump in the key battleground state in November.

With the Georgia Republican Party nearly broke and the Republican National Committee regularly getting outspent by its Democratic counterpart, Republicans say Walker’s unspent millions could go a long way toward addressing the GOP’s cash crunch.

“Those resources were solicited and given to support his candidacy as a Georgia Republican, and unless he intends to use them again for his own candidacy, I sure hope the favor would be returned,” said John Watson, a former Georgia state GOP chair. “Georgia Republicans should be supported by those dollars in whatever legal fashion the campaign can.”
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Herschel Walker, who entered the 2022 Georgia Senate race with Donald Trump’s support, ended his failed campaign with more than $5 million in the bank. | Michael Zarrilli/Getty Images Since the political novice and former football star lost to Democratic Rev. Raphael Warnock in the high-profile race, he has all but disappeared from political circles. Walker had a glidepath through the primary, but his campaign was dogged by multiple personal scandals, revealing children born out of wedlock and concealed abortions that undercut his conservative values campaign pitch. He was consistently out fundraised by Warnock, and his campaign’s strategy was undermined by Walker’s interference.

After the race, Walker eventually reenrolled at the University of Georgia to finish his undergraduate degree — the same school where he won a Heisman Trophy as a junior decades ago. When reached by phone, Walker denied his seven-figure bank balance of unspent funds in his campaign account. “It wasn’t money left in my account. Everyone keeps saying that,” Walker said.

Asked to clarify what he meant, Walker quickly ended the call, saying he was in the middle of writing a paper. He said, “we could talk about it some time” but did not respond to multiple further inquiries, including most recently last week.


A Georgia GOP strategist with knowledge of Walker’s campaign said the unspent funds should be refunded to donors, shared with Republican committees or used to help Trump in the 2024 contest.
“Republicans are being outspent everywhere up and down the ballot and there’s a significant sum of resources just sitting there,” said the strategist, who was granted anonymity to discuss the issue. “It could be supporting Trump, who did a ton for Herschel’s campaign.”

Walker, a former NFL running back who entered the 2022 Georgia Senate race with Trump’s support, ended his failed campaign with more than $5 million in the bank. He still had $4.3 million in his account as of the end of March, according to the latest financial disclosures filed to the Federal Election Commission. Walker did transfer $100,000 to the National Republican Senate Committee’s legal recount fund and has given around $400,000 to various nonprofits and charities. But the bulk of his leftover campaign money is still in his account.
The FEC limits what campaign funds can be spent on. The money must be used for electioneering purposes — on a campaign or transferred to another active committee — or Walker could donate it to charity. Walker and his treasurer remain stewards of the funds, and they can’t transfer the money directly to Walker. But the campaign cash could be helpful for the GOP’s bottom line.

At this point in the 2020 election cycle, the Georgia Republican Party had $1.2 million cash on hand. Now it reports having less than half of that amount. It’s also spending a significant portion — $1.9 million since the start of 2021 — of its funds on legal fees for Republicans charged in Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis’ election racketeering case, according to the latest financial disclosure forms. Georgia GOP Chair Josh McKoon, who fundraises for the state party, declined to discuss any personal conversations he may have had with Walker about the unspent campaign funds. This year, state Republicans are focused on the presidential race and maintaining their majorities in the state legislature, and one Georgia GOP strategist, Brian Robinson, said Walker’s money would best be used to help legislative candidates in competitive districts. “I would give directly to candidates at the legislature level because to maintain the majorities in Georgia, we’re really having to fight here,” he said.

A senior national Republican Party official said Republicans have not heard from Walker in months and that they weren’t aware of any party committees or campaigns currently pursuing a check from Walker’s old campaign account.

But Walker has been giving away some of his campaign cash, though not primarily to the party. Though Republicans grumble that Walker hasn’t contributed money to the party, the campaign committee donated about $410,000, mostly to nonprofits like the Horatio Alger Association, the Boys and Girls Club and Herschel’s 34 and Johnson City Class of 1980, a nonprofit that’s been registered since 2016 in Walker’s hometown of Wrightsville, Georgia, according to FEC filings.

He also gave $100,000 to Polaris Action Inc, a national security-focused group that was founded by Morgan Ortagus, a former Trump administration State Department official who stumped for Walker on the campaign trail.
“Nobody would be surprised if and when he starts spending that money that it went to any group of newly formed charities in or around Dallas, Texas,” a second Georgia GOP operative said, making a reference to where Walker lived before running for Senate in Georgia.


 
It'll go to Trump.
 
Joe Biden absolutely can't catch a break. The sea broke up his Gaza pier. That'll be worth another -1%.
 
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