UAW agrees to $1 per year; automakers still need cash

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UAW agrees to $1 per year; automakers still need cash

That’s a headline you could actually read.

The UAW workers’ wages aren’t that important, in the whole scheme of things. Really. That’s not the big issue, at least not for Chrysler.

Take a look at Chrysler’s estimated expenses for Quarter 1, 2009. Out of $11.6 billion, wages account for $900 million. That’s much less than 10%. Even with NO wages, Chrysler would have to bring in more money to survive.


Now, let’s be reasonable. There’s no reason to expect autoworkers to work for free when millionaires elected to Congress pay themselves handsome (though appropriate) salaries and give themselves lavish (and inappropriate) perks including the world’s second best health care system (the best goes to the President).

Mitch Albom wrote an interesting Freep column in which he noted that nobody in Congress seems to have asked AIG for a business plan before giving them $150 billion, points out that Senator Shelby’s state gave hundreds of millions of dollars to foreign automakers without his complaint, and that Shelby didn’t seem to object when investigators told Congress that $13 billion had been lost in the Iraq war due to “fraud, embezzlement, theft and waste”). But in this column, like so many others, he came to the wrong conclusion. He wrote:

“The car companies may be losing money, but they can explain it: They’re paying workers too much and selling cars for too little.”

That’s not quite true. The car companies never said that. They said one of their problems was legacy costs; many have pointed out that every other car-making country seems to have socialized medicine, so employers don’t have to worry about health care for current or past employees, until they’ve been making cars in the United States for, say, 30 years. (Even then, it really requires job losses for the problem to come to a head. Chrysler was doing fine with legacy costs in the mid-1990s, when they were expanding rather than shrinking.)

Most commentators seem to be happy to blame the problems either on the executives - and in one of three cases, that’s valid - or on the unions. But if you do the math, paying Toyota wages ($15 per hour plus some bennies) or even paying minimum wage would still leave Chrysler with terrible problems. That’s why I zeroed out salaries to see what would happen - and what would happen is that with NO wages AT ALL, nothing for engineers, lawyers, ad men, executives, UAW workers, janitors, or HR people, you’d still have a loss. Admittedly, a very, very small loss that they could deal with for many months to come.

But people don’t work for free. So let’s say we paid ‘em minimum wage. Then we’re back into big-losses again.

Blaming the executives is not very helpful in two out of three cases, either. Bob Nardelli has done a fine job of working on Chrysler’s shortfalls, as far as I can tell. So has Ford’s CEO, despite how hard it is to remember where there are two Ls and where there is only one. More to the point, neither was on the job long enough to have had an impact when matters got messy.

Rick Wagoner is the only real chump on the block. He’s been around forever, it seems, and has reacted more slowly than the others. In my opinion, he should go as a condition of any loans to GM. So should the board members who consistently decided that doing nothing was the best course of action.

But the union employees… should stop getting blamed for financial problems that can’t possibly be their fault.

Dr. David Zatz,

http://www.allpar.com/weblogs/2008/12/03/uaw-agrees-to-1-per-year-automakers-still-need-cash/

Here are seven alternatives to loans he suggests:


1. Federal monetary policy to stop strengthening the dollar and instead work on weakening it, to make imports more expensive and exports more lucrative. That would help nearly all sectors of the economy and could bring back some lost industry.

2. Federal legislation making it easier for automakers to drop brands, to help GM and Ford cut costs (bye-bye, Saturn and Mercury!).

3. Import tariffs on all Chinese auto-related imports, including those coming in as components in imported cars - equal to those the Chinese impose on our exports.

4. Assessing imported cars from companies owned by socialist nations with tariffs equal to the cost of health care for the employees to balance things out.

5. One-year tax deductions on domestic vehicles, up to $12,000, applying to vehicles made by companies headquartered in the U.S. and vehicles built within NAFTA countries.

6. Federal invalidation of all tax incentives to foreign automakers building plants in the U.S.

7. Start a huge pro-domestic-industry publicity campaign, sending out talking points liberally spiced with quotes from the Founding Fathers about the importance of a vibrant domestic industry. This would take a while to have an impact, but playing on patriotism could work, if it was made a priority - instead of taking a back seat to free market ideologies that would make Adam Smith cringe.
 
Washington, please save Canada from a depression.
 
Washington, please save Canada from a depression.

Canada would lose 582,000 jobs within five years if the Big Three automakers completely shut down, according to a report prepared for the Ontario Manufacturing Council, a government advisory panel of industry and labour representatives.
 
Canada would lose 582,000 jobs within five years if the Big Three automakers completely shut down, according to a report prepared for the Ontario Manufacturing Council, a government advisory panel of industry and labour representatives.
A report prepared by whom?
 
Canada would lose 582,000 jobs within five years if the Big Three automakers completely shut down, according to a report prepared for the Ontario Manufacturing Council, a government advisory panel of industry and labour representatives.

I saw the same report. It makes me really uncomfortable to see just how dependent this country is on exporting to the US, and by association, how much it is at the mercy of Washington law makers atm. Ottawa can't possibly compete with the money they can throw around.
 
I saw the same report. It makes me really uncomfortable to see just how dependent this country is on exporting to the US, and by association, how much it is at the mercy of Washington law makers atm. Ottawa can't possibly compete with the money they can throw around.

Perhaps Canada should join the US.. :deal:


Checking for bias. :p

I'm anxious to see what Harper's government has in store for the country, now that we are dead certain the economy is going into the shitter.

Fingers crossed that Ignatieff take the helm with the coalition.

:banana:
 
The Center for for Automotive Research says a 50% reduction in the 3 automakers would result in the loss of 2.5 million jobs. Only 239,000 from the automakers...

OK so here's GM spending $2 billion per month. What now?

#1 GM has already put in place ~$9.2 billion in cost cuts but that's not enough.

Some alternatives...
GM currently has eight brands (Chevrolet, Cadillac, Hummer, Saab, Buick, GMC, Saturn, and Pontiac). Drop five of them and keep the core brands Chevy, Cadillac and Buick. This would lower their fixed costs by ~$5 billion. There's a big if here considering GM has about 7,000 in the US dealerships compared to Toyota's 1,500.

Under the new contract starting in 2010, all new assembly line hires are started at Tier 1.5 and health benefits are moved to a separate entity. If all Tier 1 employees were moved to Tier 1.5, for the time being, it would save GM $2.6 billion.

They also need to fix some other worker rules with the union that put them at a disadvantage. For instance, worker hours are tied to production output so when a certain number of vehicles are made in a day, workers are done for the day. That means GM, unlike most businesses, can't speed up its production line without paying workers overtime. They also need to drop the jobs bank and get retirees over 65 on medicare. The job bank only makes sense when you're increasing market share and they're not.

GM's current labor costs vs. Toyota. btw Tier 2 is non assembly.
 
I find it unfortunate that the UAW had already accepted a two-tier wage system. It's something the CAW would never accept. However, there are two very different health care systems in play.
 
omg GM pays its workers liek TEN TIMES AS MUCH as Toyota!!!!!111omg

Unions r teh suxxxx!!!!!
 
Unions don't suck, they just went to far here. Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to far. It doesn't serve your interest at all if you negotiate deals that destroy the company that is supposed to give them to you. But like the article says, there are more problems than that.

I don't want to see foreign car prices go up. I just bought a mini and will have another car buying choice in about 6 months. There is not an american car on my list, not even close really. They are going to have to start making cars that run electric, or that can compete with the honda and toyota hybrids for me to change my mind.
 
And yet, water vapor increases global warming. Hmmm...

Doesn't that defeat the purpose? :lol:
It has a fraction of the effect of CO2 emitting vehicles.

Methane contributes to global warming, doesn't mean I should hold my farts in.
 
It has a fraction of the effect of CO2 emitting vehicles.

Methane contributes to global warming, doesn't mean I should hold my farts in.

If you hold your farts in, you spontaneously combust, so don't do that.
 
I saw the same report. It makes me really uncomfortable to see just how dependent this country is on exporting to the US, and by association, how much it is at the mercy of Washington law makers atm. Ottawa can't possibly compete with the money they can throw around.

Globalization! HAHAHAHAA
 
It is a bit off topic, but running on hydrogen is NOT that impressive, from a practical standpoint. Engineering/design wise it's cool, but there's a lot of common misconceptions out there, to address the first: there is no "energy source" of hydrogen. A hydrogen car is in no way more environmentally friendly or efficient than a straight electric car, and in fact would probably be worse, due to costs of creating and transporting the hydrogen fuel (this infrastructure is also very rare right now). A hydrogen car might have greater range/power or other characteristics because of its fuel source, but the short answer is that you need energy to obtain the hydrogen fuel, and this is less efficient than straight solar/electric power.

About the automanufacturers, it's always been and will remain my opinion that American companies are suffering for making absolutely awful cars. I don't care what ratings these cars receive by whatever panels, on a personal basis as a consumer many American cars are incredibly annoying (until you get to expensive sports-car range). And the one stat that I would care about, mpg, is not something they lead in either. I always think of the car built for Homer Simpson as a perfect stereotype of why American designs often fail (huge, gas guzzling, ugly/uncomfortable, touts worthless characteristics like "enormous beverage holders"). Unfortunately I think assistance and reform is necessary simply because collapse would have a very bad impact on the economy, but I'd sure like to see a switch away from the business model of "try to convince all Americans to buy cruddy trucks and SUVs, despite the fact that people could live just as well with smaller, cheaper, more efficient models." This is the problem more than anything with the unions.
 
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