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UK politics - continuing into 2021

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by EnglishEdward, Jan 5, 2021.

  1. innonimatu

    innonimatu Deity

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    True. In the NI case the UK claimed those were inhabitants of UK land, it would be bad propaganda to decide they weren't after all.

    The relevant claim to victim she has is that the whole thing had been set in motion by Blair, Bush and their acolytes. Those were perpetrators, seeded the disaster in those lands, and got away with it. This one was, even if a whole generation removed from the origin of the situation, a victim of the plan to destroy the whole region. A plan that was continued, remember the supply of weapons to "moderate rebels" pretending those weren't going to these fanatics. There are more perpetrators, some still in office.

    That's probably the main reason the government of the UK will rather have her die far away than have take her to court for war crimes. Or whatever crimes. There's other reason though: no jurisdiction. Though certain countries don't care about jurisdiction and pretend their laws have international reach. The crimes happened in Syria and Iraq, and I'm not sure they qualify as war crimes, or under some other heading. The criminals should be judged there, according to relevant law there. And if Syria or Iraq want to dump the foreign ones back in the places that promoted the war there... it's their payback.
     
  2. Hrothbern

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    Also considering that softly outspoken desire among some that the Brexit NI issue could be solved with Ireland joining the Union...
    Perhaps Westminster does not really see the Irish nationality as another nationality because... in the grand scheme of history... these citizens are after all still British
     
  3. Traitorfish

    Traitorfish The Tighnahulish Kid

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    But, if it is the case that loss of citizenship was a routine consequence of affiliation with a terrorist organisation for individuals with a second citizenship, then presumably the kid who really wanted an Irish setter would, in the event that he was found to be an affiliated of the Provisional IRA, also face loss of citizenship.

    If this is not the case, if loss of citizenship is not in fact a routine consequence of affiliation with a terrorist organisation for individuals with a second citizenship, then what distinguishes the case of Begum, or any other ISIS recruit, from Republican paramilitaries during the Troubles?

    Propaganda value. That's the beginning and end of it.
     
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  4. Takhisis

    Takhisis Jinping, wer fragt uns?

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  5. EnglishEdward

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    If I was paying five hundred thousand pounds for a long lease on a London tower block flat,
    I would want one with a tenant access (USe = elevator, UKe = lift) that does not reek of urine.

    When I lived in London the (USe = project, UKe = council) tower block lifts typically stank of urine.

    Because an inconsiderate minority of those poor were in the habit of using them as urinals.
     
  6. Samson

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    I suspect the association between smelly lifts and poverty may have more to do with housing density and frequency of cleaning than poor people weeing more. Rich people go on the the piss too.
     
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  7. EnglishEdward

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    Well of course it is and they do.

    If you have five rich people in a luxury flat with two toilets,
    then they can manage. But if you have ten poor people
    in flat with one toilet, then some kids will piss in the lifts.

    Segregation by wealth is quite normal and @ Takhisis,
    this instance has nothing to do with the UK leaving the EU.
     
  8. Senethro

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    "Segregation by wealth is bad actually, even if it is normalized." - A revolutionary sentiment for 2021.
     
  9. GinandTonic

    GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime

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    It's a symptom of where the whole social housing situation has got to. One developer defended their poor door saying that if the social tenants had the use of the facilities (concierge, gym, marble lifts) it would cost the tenants a couple of hundred a month. Section 106 (IIRC) is being used as a plaster for the absence of council housing but it doesn't really fit.

    The problem is that this is not how we should be delivering social housing.
     
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  10. EnglishEdward

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    Even the soviet union segregated its housing, with special blocks allocated to party officials, leading scientists etc.

    Which is a perfectly reasonable point for the separation.

    I tend to agree.

    Leaning on developers to include a few low cost houses into their
    schemes is a poor substitute for directly funding social housing.
     
  11. Samson

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    The USSR did it, so it must be OK. I never took you for a tankie :p
     
  12. EnglishEdward

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    In any country, the existing housing stock is of variable quantity.
    It is not mathematically possible to give everyone the same quality.
    The soviets found that out as will no doubt the Mayor of London.

    But perhaps he already knows and is knowingly playing gesture politics.
     
  13. Samson

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    The point is not that everyone has to have the same quality, but that those who have more should not be segragated from those who have less:
     
  14. Kyriakos

    Kyriakos Alien spiral maker

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    I think the curious problem rises out of the not very common practice to have city council provide flats in projects not meant solely for this purpose.
    The solution is not good either (separate elevators and some locations being forbidden for the poors), but it is what happens in trains, planes and ships already.

    I do like the sneaky practice by some, to have a flat given to them by the council, and then proceed to rent it themselves to others, for a lot of money. I approve.
     
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  15. EnglishEdward

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    I dissaprove. Amongst other things, such abuse of social housing obviates its purpose and encourages opponents of social housing.
     
  16. EnglishEdward

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    The rich don't want to socialise with poor people.

    Mandating that developers grant poor people access to communal areas will simply
    mean that the rich will select tower block apartments with no communal areas.
     
  17. Kyriakos

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    When the sense is that some people are just mice, it doesn't matter what happens to the house.
     
  18. Samson

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    I have never lived in Norfolk, but this does not sound like anywhere I have lived. There are plenty of rich and poor down my pub (when it is allowed to open).
     
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  19. EnglishEdward

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    The article is about the Mayor of London, and therefore London; not Norfolk.

    Well good for your pub.

    When I was living in London, I found that many pubs were
    de facto segregated in that if you didn't fit the bar staff and
    the other customers there could make you feel unwelcome.

    And there are pubs run by wealthy people in Norfolk who
    see themselves as selecting customers they approve of.
     
  20. Senethro

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    Why should we care?
     

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