EnglishEdward
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That is certainly not my argument. Why do you make such false statements ?
I believe that the term "baseless concerns" was previously used by PhroX, so why are you asking me what it means ?
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That is certainly not my argument. Why do you make such false statements ?
I believe that the term "baseless concerns" was previously used by PhroX, so why are you asking me what it means ?
So you believe that immigration is a net positive and that we shouldn't seek to curtail it anymore than we already do?
Because you're the one trying to make the distinction. You were the one saying they were changing the subject. So what is the distinction?
Could you clarify what you consider to be non-baseless concerns and how they're separate to the concerns PhroX was referencing?
Sellafield apologises after guilty plea over string of cybersecurity failings
Sellafield has apologised after pleading guilty to criminal charges relating to a string of cybersecurity failings at Britain’s most hazardous nuclear site, which it admitted could have threatened national security.
Among the failings at the vast nuclear waste dump in Cumbria was the discovery that 75% of its computer servers were vulnerable to cyber-attacks, Westminster magistrates court in London heard.
Information that could threaten national security was left exposed for four years, the nuclear watchdog revealed, and Sellafield said it had been performing critical IT health checks that were not, in fact, being carried out.
Late last year, the Guardian’s Nuclear Leaks investigation revealed a string of IT failings at the state-owned company dating back several years, as well as radioactive contamination and toxic workplace culture.
Sellafield is a sprawling rubbish dump for nuclear waste that is the world’s largest store of plutonium from weapons programmes and decades of atomic power generation. It has a workforce of about 11,000 people and is part of the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority, a taxpayer-owned and -funded quango.
The Guardian’s investigation also revealed concerns about external contractors being able to plug memory sticks into Sellafield’s system while unsupervised and that its computer servers were deemed so insecure that the problem was nicknamed Voldemort after the Harry Potter villain because it was so sensitive and dangerous.
Sellafield’s own report, from the external IT company Commissum, found that any “reasonably skilled hacker or malicious insider” could access sensitive data and insert malware – computer code – that could then be used to steal information.
Sensitive nuclear information (SNI), the industry’s special classification system, was left vulnerable in part because of the use of “obsolete” technology including Windows 7 and Windows 2008, Lawrence said.
The Guardian reported last year that the site systems had been hacked by groups linked to Russia and China in December last year, embedding sleeper malware that could lurk and be used to spy or attack systems.
Sellafield has apologised after pleading guilty to criminal charges relating to a string of cybersecurity failings at Britain’s most hazardous nuclear site, which it admitted could have threatened national security.
Among the failings at the vast nuclear waste dump in Cumbria was the discovery that 75% of its computer servers were vulnerable to cyber-attacks, Westminster magistrates court in London heard.
Information that could threaten national security was left exposed for four years, the nuclear watchdog revealed, and Sellafield said it had been performing critical IT health checks that were not, in fact, being carried out.
Late last year, the Guardian’s Nuclear Leaks investigation revealed a string of IT failings at the state-owned company dating back several years, as well as radioactive contamination and toxic workplace culture.
Sellafield is a sprawling rubbish dump for nuclear waste that is the world’s largest store of plutonium from weapons programmes and decades of atomic power generation. It has a workforce of about 11,000 people and is part of the Nuclear Decommissioning Authority, a taxpayer-owned and -funded quango.
The Guardian’s investigation also revealed concerns about external contractors being able to plug memory sticks into Sellafield’s system while unsupervised and that its computer servers were deemed so insecure that the problem was nicknamed Voldemort after the Harry Potter villain because it was so sensitive and dangerous.
Sellafield’s own report, from the external IT company Commissum, found that any “reasonably skilled hacker or malicious insider” could access sensitive data and insert malware – computer code – that could then be used to steal information.
Sensitive nuclear information (SNI), the industry’s special classification system, was left vulnerable in part because of the use of “obsolete” technology including Windows 7 and Windows 2008, Lawrence said.
The Guardian reported last year that the site systems had been hacked by groups linked to Russia and China in December last year, embedding sleeper malware that could lurk and be used to spy or attack systems.
Given the millions of Irish that have migrated looking for work or refuge over the years I find it hypocritical to blanket deny that to others who now want to come to Ireland.
There is nothing inherent in the Irish economy to suggest that leaving the EU would be anything other than a self imposed disaster.
Finally, given this is a UK politics thread, do you see any problem with those anti-immigration protesters aligning aligning themselves with those who otherwise would be attacking us?
There is nothing inherent in the Irish economy to suggest that leaving the EU would be anything other than a self imposed disaster.
Finally, given this is a UK politics thread, do you see any problem with those anti-immigration protesters aligning aligning themselves with those who otherwise would be attacking us?
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EnglishEdward
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Any chance of you saying what you believe, rather than trying to tell other people what they believe ?
In case you had not noticed it, the UK government is not really seeking to curtail immigration at all.
Without knowing what PhroX meant by "baseless concerns"; that question is simply unanswerable.
That isnt an answer to the question. You said your position wasn't that it was a net negative. But you're avoiding saying it was a net positive. Why's that?
If it helps, I believe that it's a net positive. Your turn
Hahahaha. By all accounts, Labour is looking to reduce it, actually.
Labour promises skills shakeup to cut net migration
The party says better training can reduce migration, but it will not be setting an overall level.
www.bbc.co.uk
Strong foundations – The Labour Party
A Labour government would put country before party with strong foundations of national security, secure borders and economic stability.
labour.org.uk
Again, you're the one who said they were changing the subject. You can only doing this by knowing what they meant by "baseless concerns" in the first place.
If you don't know what they meant, how on Earth could you ever claim they were changing the subject in the first place?
Even the Tory "grandees" are calling out the far right language used by current contenders
Timothy Kirkhope, a former immigration minister and a Tory peer, said he believed his party was now “unrecognisable compared to when it entered into government following the 2010 general election. And many in my party have turned a blind eye to this rightward shift.”
Lord Kirkhope said that a desire to become “Reform-lite” in the wake of the election campaign risked a further lurch. “As a former immigration minister, I know all too well the sensitivities surrounding issues of migration and refugees and the importance of language,” he writes for the Observer. “Some have found it politically expedient to conflate the issues of legal migration and asylum seekers.
“The current situation with levels of social unrest not experienced in this country for a very long time is deeply worrying. The role of divisive rhetoric, including by some from the previous administration, has certainly not helped the situation. ‘Stop the boats’ has been one of the riot chants and that is a most unfortunate result.”
Kirkhope also issued a rallying cry for like-minded Conservatives to speak out. “Any attempts to ‘unite the right’ by morphing or merging the Conservative party with Reform UK could not only undermine social cohesion, but also set my party on a path to an electoral defeat from which it might never recover,” he warns.
His intervention was echoed by Alistair Burt, a former Tory foreign minister. “Tempting though it is, seeking to reduce complex policy to a snappy slogan which appeals to a section of your supporters is not always successful and can backfire,” he said.
“And sometimes such tactics are positively dangerous, such as branding those who seek to use the law for a perfectly proper purpose with which you may disagree as ‘lefty lawyers’ and set in train a chain of events which makes attacking them or the law a target rather than dealing more effectively with serious issues while in government.”
Addressing the Tory leadership contenders, Burt called on them not to “pander to divisive options”, but instead to prove their competency, decent leadership and unity to an electorate who would demand those qualities.
Stephen Hammond, another former minister and One Nation figure, who stepped down from parliament at the last election, said there was a duty on politicians to take greater care in the language they chose.
“Politicians are under a particular obligation to consider what they say and how they say it,” he said. “Language is very important and we also have to recognise the historical context of language as well, in terms of how it’s been used previously to incite and inflame particular issues.
“To those members of the Conservative party who think that aping Reform is going to be the way to win a general election, I’d say it’s actually the way to a prolonged period of opposition.”
Timothy Kirkhope, a former immigration minister and a Tory peer, said he believed his party was now “unrecognisable compared to when it entered into government following the 2010 general election. And many in my party have turned a blind eye to this rightward shift.”
Lord Kirkhope said that a desire to become “Reform-lite” in the wake of the election campaign risked a further lurch. “As a former immigration minister, I know all too well the sensitivities surrounding issues of migration and refugees and the importance of language,” he writes for the Observer. “Some have found it politically expedient to conflate the issues of legal migration and asylum seekers.
“The current situation with levels of social unrest not experienced in this country for a very long time is deeply worrying. The role of divisive rhetoric, including by some from the previous administration, has certainly not helped the situation. ‘Stop the boats’ has been one of the riot chants and that is a most unfortunate result.”
Kirkhope also issued a rallying cry for like-minded Conservatives to speak out. “Any attempts to ‘unite the right’ by morphing or merging the Conservative party with Reform UK could not only undermine social cohesion, but also set my party on a path to an electoral defeat from which it might never recover,” he warns.
His intervention was echoed by Alistair Burt, a former Tory foreign minister. “Tempting though it is, seeking to reduce complex policy to a snappy slogan which appeals to a section of your supporters is not always successful and can backfire,” he said.
“And sometimes such tactics are positively dangerous, such as branding those who seek to use the law for a perfectly proper purpose with which you may disagree as ‘lefty lawyers’ and set in train a chain of events which makes attacking them or the law a target rather than dealing more effectively with serious issues while in government.”
Addressing the Tory leadership contenders, Burt called on them not to “pander to divisive options”, but instead to prove their competency, decent leadership and unity to an electorate who would demand those qualities.
Stephen Hammond, another former minister and One Nation figure, who stepped down from parliament at the last election, said there was a duty on politicians to take greater care in the language they chose.
“Politicians are under a particular obligation to consider what they say and how they say it,” he said. “Language is very important and we also have to recognise the historical context of language as well, in terms of how it’s been used previously to incite and inflame particular issues.
“To those members of the Conservative party who think that aping Reform is going to be the way to win a general election, I’d say it’s actually the way to a prolonged period of opposition.”
Quelle surprise folks!
www.theguardian.com
Reform UK tracked private user information without consent
Observer reveals potentially millions of people had data shared with Facebook for use in targeted advertising
www.theguardian.com
EnglishEdward
Deity
There is a distinction between "concerns" and "baseless concerns" so it was a change of subject.
It is not for me to guess to clarify PhroX's meaning.
EnglishEdward
Deity
This is simply because the conservative government decided to not even try to stop the boats,
but to instead offer enticing luxury hotel accommodation, and defraud the public with the Rwanda scheme.
Well, I suppose it is a change from "from the river to the sea" chanting.
And the "stop the boats" is now on the Labour party website.
But then they are the financial capitalists Team B.
And the financial capitalists see so many ways to benefit by making money out of immigration.
Contextually, there is only a difference if you believe there are real concerns to be presented. Which is why you (and others) have been asked what those are, and no answers have been forthcoming.
PhroX labelling concerns as baseless isn't changing the subject. They're still discussing concerns. But you seem very unwilling to clarify the difference, and yet very willing to act as though there is one.
I've even given my position! Like you asked. But you didn't give me an answer in kind. Why not?
Care to share a source on this? I have one that might not agree r.e the practical reality of any accommodation offered, but I'd need to go digging.
Regardless, I'm sure you have one to hand to make such a claim.
EDIT - found it!
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@SqueakinglyJen: So much about the immigration and asylum system is just completely unknown to people day to day. Some examples: Asylum seekers are housed only if they have no £ or friends to stay with. Many...…
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And has been for a while, but I don't note any appreciation for correcting your incorrect claim in this regard.
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Is this like an omelette surprise but with a quelle instead of an omelette?
Anyway, now that I've found the new thread: what else have I missed out on? I seem to remember something about Labour getting 9 million votes instead of the 12 they got in the previous election and somehow trebling their representation in Parliament, and then…? Anything funny? (other than the fact that Ed Balls is still apparently allowed in politics)
I was as surprised as you to not find an apostrophe in there!
FPTP being FPTP, but other than that moderately sensible so far.
Keir's apparently getting very chummy with the Italian PM though, who's a far, far-right anti-immigration type.
She does not understand economics, and she does not understand comedy.
Truss looked up at it, and said: “That’s not funny.”
EnglishEdward
Deity
Quite so !
UK General Elections: Labour voters:
According to various Wikipedia pages.
2024 9,708,716 Keir Starmer
2019 10,269.051 Jeremy Corbyn
2017 12,877,918 Jeremy Corbyn
2015 9,347,324 Ed Miliband
2010 8,609,517 Gordon Brown
2005 9,552,376 Tony Blair
2001 10,724,953 Tony Blair
1997 13,518,167 Tony Blair
What happened in 2024 was the conservative vote collapsed to 6,828,925
primarily due to the newish Reform party picking up 4,117,620, although
the existing Liberal Democrat and Green parties also gained some votes.
