UK Politics VI - Will Britain Steir to Karmer Waters?

I demand nothing, I just asked a question.
 
Are you thinking in terms of Nigel Farage bribing sitting conservative MPs to defect to Reform ?
When I read that, I actually thought of it being the other way: Farage holding the Conservatives to ransom in the same way the DUP did a few years ago with the ‘confidence and supply’ agreement.
 
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If UK had an actually half-decent democratic voting system, instead of the antiquated class-borne FPTP, development (which can be synonymous to "reform" ;) ) would have happened faster. In most other countries the election would have led to a Tory-Reform coalition, a Labour-LD-Green one or a repeat of the vote.
 
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I demand nothing, I just asked a question.

A question that could easily be answered if you bothered to open your eyes or go onto google or do anything other than ask bad faith questions with the same level of sincerity of a alt right white dude asking POC how do the racists that torment their lives negatively affect them

Your inability to grasp how transphobes actively working to force trans people back into the closet, ban them from spaces they currently use and to negate their bodily autonomy by restricting the ability to transition is a you problem and it's a you problem that you have to answer @Ordnael
 
I was reading the historically important (well, for this forum anyway) old thread we had while the brexit vote was taken, and reread that the Daily Mail supported Remain.
Not news, just all-around pleasant.
 
He could still turn it around.

Not that I want him to. I'm spiteful enough that I'd enjoy watching him crash out and begin to be seen as a liability to Labour. Let them all show their loyalty to one another and take their shot in rapid sequence.
 
He could still turn it around.

Not that I want him to. I'm spiteful enough that I'd enjoy watching him crash out and begin to be seen as a liability to Labour. Let them all show their loyalty to one another and take their shot in rapid sequence.

I predicted this would happen, but I thought it would take two years or so, not three months
 
The UK is another place where the tribal warriors obediently pushed for the election of a well known thoroughly evil bunch, and will now feel the consequences.

If there is any left remaining in the UK capable of organizing, they need to come up with a new party. They abandoned Labour to the servants of the oligarchy. Without any real fight. Which does not bode well for any project that may be lead by those who faield where they could have succeeded to disinfect the house. Corbyn - do not follow him on such a project. The left, in a country where freedom of speech and pretenses of "liberarism" are ending, needs leaders willing to put up a fight.
 
The UK is another place where the tribal warriors obediently pushed for the election of a well known thoroughly evil bunch, and will now feel the consequences.

If there is any left remaining in the UK capable of organizing, they need to come up with a new party. They abandoned Labour to the servants of the oligarchy. Without any real fight. Which does not bode well for any project that may be lead by those who faield where they could have succeeded to disinfect the house. Corbyn - do not follow him on such a project. The left, in a country where freedom of speech and pretenses of "liberarism" are ending, needs leaders willing to put up a fight.
"the left needs a new party, but not Corbyn" is interesting given that Corbyn is one of the few actually speaking out about the injustices people are facing.

What does putting up a fight look like? Would you approve of a progressive candidate with an intersectional platform? Or is this just "more nationalism and culture war" rhetoric hiding under a well-beaten tarp?
 
I predicted this would happen, but I thought it would take two years or so, not three months

I too am surprised at the speed of this.

I am trying to work out the the logic behind the withdrawal of the Winter Fuel Allowance (WFA).

The concept that the rich who do not need it is a sound driver for ending it, but setting its retention
at the level of those receiving pension credit is generally perceived in the UK as too low.

I have a number of theories.


CONTROL

(1) It is designed to force Labour MPs to make an individual decision: concede, abandon
socialist principles and be forever incriminated in the Team B line OR rebel and be expelled.

DISTRACTION

(2) It is a dead cat simply designed to distract attention from other more dubious things going on.
The risk is that expressing support for the dead cat becomes a matter of faith (cf Tories and Rwanda).

PRESENTATION

(3) It is a hard cop soft cop approach, hard copy says abolish WFA for all but those on pension credit.
then soft cop later announces (e.g. at budget time) that the cutoff for its withdrawal will be higher.

RESTRUCTURING

(4) Labour government wants to move all retirement benefits towards means tested benefits,
and by using WFA to encourage applications for pension credit puts the UK on that path.

SOUR GRAPES

(5) It is petty revenge. Labour had to promise to keep the triple lock mechanism that benefit those
oldies who voted Conservatives, Reform, for Brexit etc etc; so stuff em we'll abolish their WFA .


What are thread contributors' views ?
 
I'd guess they want to get awkward stuff that backbenchers might rebel against out of the way early, to set themselves up to be in a better position come the next election.
 
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