UK Politics VI - Will Britain Steir to Karmer Waters?

[innonimatu]

He supports Putin and Trump…

If I were russian I would be supporting the CP, not Putin. If you love so much to have my opinion, I can tell you that conservative Putin is preferable to any liberal turd like the chainsaw servant of the oligarchs you support in your country, woh is nothing but Macri II.

Lkkewise Trump is the less stinky side of the turd sanwich in the US. That is neither praise not "suport". It is a warning abourt how evil the Democratic Party is. The party of joyful genocide.

This thread is about the UK. Whta did I warn about regarding Starmer? Many people thought he would be a change for the better over the tories. How is that turning out? He's a liberal, not a leftist. He's a protector of the oligarchy. His mission is to hand them the NHS so it can be used for further rent extraction from the population. And to keep supressing discontentment. Whta the tories wouldn't get away with because the "opposition" had to pretend to opoose it, can now be done byt the phony left party.

 

[Senethro]

The greatest threat of neoliberal capitalists is that they either turn into or their incompetence opens the door to authoritarianism.

I don't see a reason or a benefit to shortcut that process.

 

[Takhisis]

the chainsaw servant of the oligarchs you support in your country

Which I don't support, but you tell yourself whatever you like, as you always do.

 

[Kyriakos]

That Milei person, apart from his other issues, looks like a gaucho :/

 

[Takhisis]

Meanwhile, the UK Conservatives are lambasting Keir Starmer for agreeing to hand over the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.

Given that this is a government of only a few months finalising a process started by today's opposition, more specifically by today's criticiser but then Foreign Minister, James Cleverly, we cannot but wonder whether those negotiations were started in bad faith or whether maybe the surname of the former head of the Foreign Office is a misnomer.

 

[EnglishEdward]

Sir Keir Starmer is a lawyer so he is following the UN court process.

I may blame him for many things, but not for this.

The BBC report is much more balanced.

UK hands sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

In a historic move, the UK gives up sovereignty of a strategic group of islands in the Indian Ocean.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[pob]

I wonder how much the UK will be paying in rent to hold onto Diego Garcia...

 

[Takhisis]

Sir Keir Starmer is a lawyer so he is following the UN court process.

I know! That's why I say that Cleverly is either an idiot or duplicitous.

I.e. at least one of ‘doesn't understand the responsibilities of his office’ or ‘he acted in utter bad faith’ has to apply to him.

Given that now Boris Johnson is trying to start a referendum for leaving the ECHR and the repeated instances of the Tory administrations making post-EU deals and immediately breaking them and boasting about it, the latter seems to be almost certain and the former quite likely.

 

[EnglishEdward]

I know! That's why I say that Cleverly is either an idiot or duplicitous.

He might of course be both.

I.e. at least one of ‘doesn't understand the responsibilities of his office’ or ‘he acted in utter bad faith’ has to apply to him.

Given that now Boris Johnson is trying to start a referendum for leaving the ECHR and the repeated instances of the Tory administrations making post-EU deals and immediately breaking them and boasting about it, the latter seems to be almost certain and the former quite likely.

Boris Johnson is yesterday's man. It matters little what he or what Liz Truss says at all.

The current UK political class is not capable of making deals that benefit the UK and it would be much better if they simply stopped trying.

It would be better if Sir Keir Starmer simply had King Charles III announce that Britain no longer had any sovereign interest in the Chagos Islands, and let the US deal direct.

But there is an ongoing delusion in the mandarin class in the foreign office that the UK can add value by getting involved when it merely accumulates liabilities and risks.

 

[Takhisis]

He might of course be both.

Well, yes, I did go on to say ‘at least one of them’.

Boris Johnson is yesterday's man. It matters little what he or what Liz Truss says at all.

Not quite. Former rulers' statements often clarify (or muddle) the meaning of what was previously agreed on by them and is still in force under other administrations.

The current UK political class is not capable of making deals that benefit the UK and it would be much better if they simply stopped trying.

It would be better if Sir Keir Starmer simply had King Charles III announce that Britain no longer had any sovereign interest in the Chagos Islands, and let the US deal direct.

But there is an ongoing delusion in the mandarin class in the foreign office that the UK can add value by getting involved when it merely accumulates liabilities and risks.

Well, yes, that's one big thing: the UK is still hanging on to the great delusion that it is a world empire. Until the UK accepts that and moves on, it won't even be capable of acting responsibly or being treated as responsible and will continue to plod on haphazardly as it does right now.

 

[Ajidica]

Well, yes, that's one big thing: the UK is still hanging on to the great delusion that it is a world empire. Until the UK accepts that and moves on, it won't even be capable of acting responsibly or being treated as responsible and will continue to plod on haphazardly as it does right now.

100% this.
British nuclear weapons are American weapons with the serial number filed off. And you guys don't even have proper aircraft carriers, ski-jumps are for losers.
(I give the Invincibles a pass because they were pocket carriers through-deck cruisers and were nice looking ships.)

 

[EnglishEdward]

Well, yes, that's one big thing: the UK is still hanging on to the great delusion that it is a world empire. Until the UK accepts that and moves on,

Most ordinary people here understand and accept that.

It is a peculiarity of the established ruling political class.
While the common man has little interest in having their
own interests neglected or sacrificed to feed that delusion.

The established ruling class parties here are Conservative
and Labour, and their vote dropped substantially GE2024.

 

[aelf]

Ironic when the Brexit vote was carried by people who yearned for the good old days of Rule Britannia.

 

[Gorbles]

Most ordinary people here understand and accept that.

It is a peculiarity of the established ruling political class.
While the common man has little interest in having their
own interests neglected or sacrificed to feed that delusion.

The established ruling class parties here are Conservative
and Labour, and their vote dropped substantially GE2024.

Yes, the right-wing draw of Reform and associated acts don't attempt to claim patriotism through an empire lost at all. The nationwide riots in recent months have nothing to do with anything, and we shouldn't learn anything from them.

 

[Takhisis]

The established ruling class parties here are Conservative and Labour, and their vote dropped substantially GE2024.

Except that those votes didn't go to much of a progressive option. They either went for Farridge or simply stayed home and who even knows what they think?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Most ordinary people here understand and accept that.

It is a peculiarity of the established ruling political class.
While the common man has little interest in having their
own interests neglected or sacrificed to feed that delusion.

The established ruling class parties here are Conservative
and Labour, and their vote dropped substantially GE2024.

Somehow, i can't quite take you seriously here

 

[Samson]

Keir has lost his cabinet secretary and his chief of staff in a matter of days. It is so good to have competence and probity at the top after so many years of the tories.

UK’s top civil servant Simon Case announces resignation after ministers demanded his sacking

Cabinet secretary Simon Case has announced he will stand down at the end of this year on health grounds but only after The Independent revealed that ministers had told Sir Keir Starmer he should be sacked.

Sue Gray quits as Sir Keir Starmer's chief of staff

Sue Gray has quit her role as Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer's chief of staff, saying she "risked becoming a distraction".

She had been caught up in rows over pay, after the BBC's political editor revealed her salary was higher than Sir Keir's, and donations from Lord Alli.

 

[Senethro]

Very happy to see spook (or at least spook adjacent) people out of spaddy positions.

 

[EnglishEdward]

One wonders what they will actually be doing on their other promises
e.g. regarding the non domiciled and levying VAT on private schools.

As far as I envisage, their only policy that might impact UK government
finances and the UK economy is their assisted dying bill.

That might have some very small impacts:

(a) on Treasury revenue bringing forward some meagre instances of inheritance taxes
(b) on Treasury expenditure, reducing NHS and OAP bills
(c) on the economy in releasing housing stock.

In theory, it might assist local government with their social care bills, but
the privately owned industry will likely resist any such revenue erosion.

And not being a fervent Financial Capitalist Team B supporter,
I, for one, am certainly not volunteering to assist the government.

 

[Samson]

Today the Troy leadership race goes down to three, and tomorrow we are down to two and then it is in the hands of the members.

Some might say that this is where it is really decided, once it goes to the members it will be whoever is the most right wing on the ballot that win: “dogs bark, cats meow and the Right wing candidate wins Conservative leadership races with the members” as some tory puts it. Everyone expects Tugendhat to go today, so if tomorrow if Badenoch gets through then she will win, else it will be Jenrick.


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