UK Politics VI - Will Britain Steir to Karmer Waters?

Kemi Badenoch elected new Conservative leader

There were 131,680 eligible electors. Turnout was 72.8%.

Kemi Badenoch received 53,806 votes

Robert Jenrick received 41,388 votes

There were 655 rejected ballots.

66,288 electors voted online and 29,621 electors voted by post.
 

Prince Andrew's funding cut off by King, says book​

The Duke of York has been cut off financially by his brother King Charles, according to an updated royal biography.
Prince Andrew had been under financial pressure over the cost of running his 30-room home at Royal Lodge in Windsor.
But it's now claimed by royal author Robert Hardman that the King has decided to stop paying for security at Prince Andrew's house or provide a personal allowance. Together, these costs are believed to amount to several million pounds a year.
Buckingham Palace has declined to comment on the book's claims, which are being serialised by the Daily Mail.

The claim over Prince Andrew's income being stopped comes in an updated version of a biography of King Charles, written by the royal author Robert Hardman.
It says that the Keeper of the Privy Purse, who looks after the royal finances, has been instructed to end the personal allowance and security payments for Prince Andrew.
It had already been understood by the BBC that the King was not willing to subsidise Prince Andrew indefinitely - but this suggests a final decision has now been taken to cut him off.
The prince, who no longer has an official spokesperson, has so far not responded to the claims over losing this funding.
But it would mean that he would have to find his own way of paying the upkeep and security of Royal Lodge, a 19th Century listed building in Windsor. It is believed that there would be a high cost to maintain the large property, which is leased from the Crown Estate.

This financial pressure on the prince comes after the release of two separate films this year - made by Netflix and Amazon - about his interview on BBC Newsnight in 2019, in which he was questioned about his connections to the US sex offender Jeffrey Epstein.
The prince stepped down as a working royal and later lost his military titles and royal patronages and withdrew to a private life at Royal Lodge. A commentator described him as being "de-royalled".
Although it is the King now said to be taking action on funding, sources have previously suggested this has been part of a longer-term question, pre-dating the King's reign, about settling 64-year-old Prince Andrew's future accommodation and finances.
Rather than the extensive home at Royal Lodge, previously occupied by the Queen Mother, it has been suggested that the prince could move to the smaller Frogmore Cottage, once occupied by Prince Harry and Meghan, as it would have a much lower maintenance and security cost.

Frogmore Cottage can be used at the discretion of the monarch, while Royal Lodge remains a leased property, owned independently by the Crown Estate, which could be used for other commercial purposes.

But the prince has his own personal lease on Royal Lodge, which lasts until 2078, and if he can pay his own way he can remain at the house, which he has shared with his ex-wife Sarah.

The prince paid considerable amounts up-front when he took on the lease for Royal Lodge in 2003, which has meant lower costs for him in the longer term, making it less of an incentive to leave now.

The house had been in need of renovation and he took on the initial repairs of more than £7.5m. There was also a one-off payment of £2.5m as a way of buying out the annual rental.

He also made a one-off payment of £1m to his landlords, the Crown Estate, according to documents from the National Audit Office.

But there was a clause that if he left the house within 25 years of the start of the lease he would receive compensation for his original payment on repairs - with that amount shrinking each year.

With less than four years left on that arrangement, he would not stand to recoup much of the £7.5m he spent on renovating the house - another incentive not to give up his lease.

But there are still high costs of security and maintenance - and Robert Hardman's books says the King will no longer be picking up the bills.

He quotes a source as saying: "The duke is no longer a financial burden on the King."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg4plz7z4yo
 
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That is only suitable for a peasant :(

Also looks like the previous tier/downgrade of where he is now living:

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Anyway, here is a pic of my house:

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Speaking of royal estates, it now turns out (surprise) that, being some of the biggest landowners in the country, the king and the heir to the throne collect a lot of money from taxpayers and charities.

The estates known as the Duchy of Cornwall and the Duchy of Lancaster describe themselves as ‘commercial operations’ yet they do not pay corporation tax or capital gains tax. Because they're feudal entities rather than modern-style corporations.
They also get exemptions from energy performance ratings as property landlords. They make money off leasing land to to charities, state schools, hospitals, fire stations, prisons, power plants and so on.
 
Kemi Badenoch elected new Conservative leader

There were 131,680 eligible electors. Turnout was 72.8%.

Kemi Badenoch received 53,806 votes

Robert Jenrick received 41,388 votes

There were 655 rejected ballots.

66,288 electors voted online and 29,621 electors voted by post.

It will be interesting to see what her strategy will be.

At the last election, the conservatives lost votes (13,966,454 minus 6,828,925 = 7,137,529)
to Greens, Labour, Liberal Democrats and Reform and the Stay At Homes.

Nobody really knows what proportion of those votes were lost to each of those groups.
However Labour's share also dropped, so I reckon that not many went to Labour.
I suspect the largest loss was to Reform which obtained 4,117,610 votes in 2024.

Now as a gross simplification, it seem to me that there are two potential conservative strategies;

(a) do nothing and watch Labour's popularity drop as it encounters adverse events and hope
to win when it becomes clear that Labour have no strategy to deal with the next recession
and the country concludes that it is again, under FTYP, really a two horse race.

(b) actively try to deal with the attrition to Reform.

I suspect that Robert Jenrick would have opted for (a).
I suspect that Kemi Badenoch will opt for (b).
(Perhaps that is why the conservative membership chose Kemi.)

So assuming (b) how might Kemi Badenoch deal with the attrition to Reform?

There are perhaps three main options available to her:

(i) try to recapture Reform voters

(ii) enter into an electoral pact with Reform

(iii) merge with Reform.


How do thread readers perceive this?
 
So, uh, what's the vibe with Kemi Badenoch? I can't remember the Private Eye or John Crace nickname for her, so I have no idea what she is like.
 
Tbh coming from you:
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Why ask then?

You could stereotype any regular's answer if you felt like it.

She's a massive transphobe, a regular online "culture war" participant, and shifts on a proverbial dime ("penny" doesn't have the same ring to it) because there's nothing to her except owning the libs (or those further left). Her election continues the slide of the Tories into nothing but "anti-woke" as a platform.
 
Because, as I noted, it doesn't narrow it down. Cloud has described just about every British politician - from Starmer to Badenoch - as a terrible human person and transphobic.

I was hoping to get something like does Badenoch have One Nation Tory vibes? Sunak pro-business? Liz Truss unvarnished incompetence? Brexiteer? Etc.
 
Because, as I noted, it doesn't narrow it down. Cloud has described just about every British politician - from Starmer to Badenoch - as a terrible human person and transphobic.

I was hoping to get something like does Badenoch have One Nation Tory vibes? Sunak pro-business? Liz Truss unvarnished incompetence? Brexiteer? Etc.
Quite a lot of them are transphobes, and I'd imagine to a trans person living in the UK, that's pretty pertinent.

You didn't merely "note", and you know it.

As for what vibes she has, I gave them. She's not particularly pro-business (at least in the way Sunak was). If anything, she's a BoJo; more ingrained than him in the culture wars, but without his journalistic history (however nominal) and contacts.

I'd argue as an aside that "Brexiteer" doesn't really narrow it down much either, especially these days.
 

You got a problem with me pointing out people's transphobia? Am i supposed to just stand there and take it instead?

Because, as I noted, it doesn't narrow it down. Cloud has described just about every British politician - from Starmer to Badenoch - as a terrible human person and transphobic.

I was hoping to get something like does Badenoch have One Nation Tory vibes? Sunak pro-business? Liz Truss unvarnished incompetence? Brexiteer? Etc.

That's because starmer and badenoch ARE transphobic, the intensity might differ but both are happy to jettison the trans community for their own personal gain, am i supposed to just ignore that or something @Ajidica?

If you think the majority of british politicians wouldn't betray trans people let alone the greater lgbtq community you haven't been paying attention
 
As for what vibes she has, I gave them. She's not particularly pro-business (at least in the way Sunak was). If anything, she's a BoJo; more ingrained than him in the culture wars, but without his journalistic history (however nominal) and contacts.
That's really all I was looking for. My knowledge of UK politics has slipped and she hasn't reached meme level like Failing Grayling, Priti Vicious, or Lettuce Truss.

You got a problem with me pointing out people's transphobia? Am i supposed to just stand there and take it instead?
I mean, if I asked you "what is the political difference between Keir Starmer and Vladimir Putin?" and you responded "both are transphobes and terrible human beings" that may be accurate, but hardly a particularly useful response!

And, as I said in the first post, I couldn't really remember anything about Badenoch, so yeah.
 
That's really all I was looking for. My knowledge of UK politics has slipped and she hasn't reached meme level like Failing Grayling, Priti Vicious, or Lettuce Truss.


I mean, if I asked you "what is the political difference between Keir Starmer and Vladimir Putin?" and you responded "both are transphobes and terrible human beings" that may be accurate, but hardly a particularly useful response!

And, as I said in the first post, I couldn't really remember anything about Badenoch, so yeah.

Come on dude, is it really that shocking that I'd view politicians through a trans focused lens?
 
Through a trans focused lens? No.
Only through trans issues, excluding everything else? Yes, but I really shouldn't be surprised.
 
Through a trans focused lens? No.
Only through trans issues, excluding everything else? Yes, but I really shouldn't be surprised.

I'm sure if you educated yourself on her history of actively making trans people's lives worse off not just rhetoricallybut also legally, culminating in a ban on puberty blockers and the potential future cessation of hrt for under 25s, you might reconsider your judgement, but i understand that you're not necessarily aware of those facts
 
I'm sure if you educated yourself on her history of actively making trans people's lives worse off not just rhetoricallybut also legally, culminating in a ban on puberty blockers and the potential future cessation of hrt for under 25s, you might reconsider your judgement, but i understand that you're not necessarily aware of those facts
Once again, I knew nothing about Badenoch besides her being "Tory Scum" by default. I couldn't even remember the Private Eye or John Crace (sketchwriter for the Grauniad) nickname for her.
And would it have been so hard making the above post a few posts earlier? You've described basically every British politician as "transphobe, horrible human being" at some point or another, so it really isn't very helpful in knowing what sort of Tory scum Badenoch is.
(Indeed, I was holding out the faint hope that she may have allowed some of Ruth Davidson to rub off on her and thus pass the "not obviously a lizard in a human-suit" vibe most Tories give off.)
 
Once again, I knew nothing about Badenoch besides her being "Tory Scum" by default. I couldn't even remember the Private Eye or John Crace (sketchwriter for the Grauniad) nickname for her.
If anything I think Kemi Badenoch see herself as channelling Margaret Thatcher.

As for nicknames and cartoon caricature; I suspect there may have been a little
restraint in portraying her while a candidate, to avoid accusations of racial profiling.

But now she has become party leader, we can look forward to full on glorious satire etc !
 
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