UK Politics VI - Will Britain Steir to Karmer Waters?

[innonimatu]

So, uh, what's the vibe with Kemi Badenoch? I can't remember the Private Eye or John Crace nickname for her, so I have no idea what she is like.

Caveat that I'm watching from teh outsice. My view is that the empty-headed one won. The other at least had some ideas about what to attempt. Not good enough but a token effort.
Good luck UK, you'll need it.

 

[Takhisis]

Come on dude, is it really that shocking that I'd view politicians through a trans focused lens?

No, but given the Conservative Party's current internal mainstream, it really doesn't narrow it down much if you just say that the new leader is a transphobic, horrible human being. I'm being serious here.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I understand.

 

[Kyriakos]

One wonders if the labour party will ever have a female leader, or a non-white one.

 

[Gorbles]

Hashtag girlboss, hashtag feminism.

 

[Kyriakos]

Hashtag anti-pogrom ^^

 

[Manfred Belheim]

dime ("penny" doesn't have the same ring to it)

You could go with "sixpence"

 

[Manfred Belheim]

One wonders if the labour party will ever have a female leader, or a non-white one.

They actively discriminate against white male candidates at the lowest level of local candidate selection, so I think it's inevitably only a matter of time before they do.

 

[Samson]

They actively discriminate against white male candidates at the lowest level of local candidate selection, so I think it's inevitably only a matter of time before they do.

That is exactly how the tories got to where they are. One has to wonder if there is not some active discrimination in the other direction at higher levels of the organisation that explains why Labour is not also there.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

That is exactly how the tories got to where they are. One has to wonder if there is not some active discrimination in the other direction at higher levels of the organisation that explains why Labour is not also there.

Probably just takes a while to work through the system, given that they tend to hang around for decades at the top end.

 

[Senethro]

Probably just takes a while to work through the system, given that they tend to hang around for decades at the top end.

"Probably" suggests you are basing this on some reason or evidence, and not just vibes.

Given that there are many situations where inequalities are not going away of their own accord, shortcutting the waiting(delaying?) process seems permissible.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

"Probably" suggests you are basing this on some reason or evidence, and not just vibes.

Well yes, the evidence/reasoning was included in the sentence: "given that they tend to hang around for decades at the top end". If the measures are being taken at the bottom end of local canditate selection, it will inevitably take some years for the changes made there to migrate upwards through the "chain of command", as it were, won't it?

 

[Samson]

Well yes, the evidence/reasoning was included in the sentence: "given that they tend to hang around for decades at the top end". If the measures are being taken at the bottom end of local canditate selection, it will inevitably take some years for the changes made there to migrate upwards through the "chain of command", as it were, won't it?

There is some evidence needed that "they tend to hang around for decades at the top end". Here is the cabinet, there are a few faces I recognise but it is not just a whole load of the old guard. There are a few women, but only one non-white.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

There is some evidence needed that "they tend to hang around for decades at the top end". Here is the cabinet, there are a few faces I recognise but it is not just a whole load of the old guard. There are a few women, but only one non-white.

Okay, fair enough. Of the first 5 white men on the list though, 3 of them have been MPs since the early 2000s, which is presumably before the active selection I'm talking about started happening. I didn't dig down further than that, but perhaps it's not quite as stuffed full of ancients as I thought.

It looks like exactly 50% of the cabinet is female though, so you can't say fairer than that

 

[Cloud_Strife]

They actively discriminate against white male candidates at the lowest level of local candidate selection, so I think it's inevitably only a matter of time before they do.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

If fact offends, post meme.

 

[Gorbles]

If fact offends, post meme.

At the time an actual fact is posted, this might be accurate. Posting an opinion is not the same thing.

I held off until now, alright? This is me trying!

 

[Manfred Belheim]

At the time an actual fact is posted, this might be accurate. Posting an opinion is not the same thing.

I held off until now, alright? This is me trying!

Okay m8.

 

[Senethro]

Well yes, the evidence/reasoning was included in the sentence: "given that they tend to hang around for decades at the top end". If the measures are being taken at the bottom end of local canditate selection, it will inevitably take some years for the changes made there to migrate upwards through the "chain of command", as it were, won't it?

Not included was that you're kind of condoning this by offering it in response, without quite saying that you are. The implication is that you think the uncertain timescale upon which it maybe works is acceptable, while giving your self enough room to backpedal if convenient.

You're like a homeopathic poster - so dilute we can't be sure if the active ingredient is even present.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Not included was that you're kind of condoning this by offering it in response, without quite saying that you are. The implication is that you think the uncertain timescale upon which it maybe works is acceptable, while giving your self enough room to backpedal if convenient.

Nope, that's you reading things into it. My point was just that if you make changes to prioritise certain canditates at the entry level, and that those candidates then rise up through the organisation over time, and then spend a long time at the top before they move on and create openings for new people to move up behind them, then it will inevitably take time for the changes you make at the bottom to be reflected at the top. I mean, how could it be otherwise?