So does keeping them. Avoiding conflict is therefore a non-goal, and should itself be avoided.
UK Politics VI - Will Britain Steir to Karmer Waters?
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EnglishEdward
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Complicated deals don't avoid conflict.
The Elgin marbles were fixtures of a particular place and would be better simply returned there.
The Elgin marbles were fixtures of a particular place and would be better simply returned there.
EnglishEdward
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I cannot otherwise make sense of your "Avoiding conflict is therefore a non-goal"
The breakthrough would be to return them to the Parthenon. The idea was of course turned down by Britain.
This isn't an important step. The pieces on their own aren't (comparatively speaking) special; many of that variety exist in local museums. They'd have been special if they were installed back to the actual building.
It will be another fake "success" story here. Meanwhile, for half a decade now work at the (hypothesized) tomb of Alexander at Amphipolis has stopped. That would have been a globally important monument.
This isn't an important step. The pieces on their own aren't (comparatively speaking) special; many of that variety exist in local museums. They'd have been special if they were installed back to the actual building.
It will be another fake "success" story here. Meanwhile, for half a decade now work at the (hypothesized) tomb of Alexander at Amphipolis has stopped. That would have been a globally important monument.
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Supposedly Feynman once did it upside down, so as to prove that the mechanism isn't requiring use of gravity.
It's Feynman, so the story is almost certainly bogus
There's some people who think that making something complicated is a sign of intelligence.
Ah, but that's making things simple.
EnglishEdward
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I don't see why simply returning the Elgin marbles would create any conflict.
I certainly wouldn't complain! Just as though I wouldn't complain if this opened the proverbial floodgates to return other things.
I think that some might, however. And that's the rub like Eva said. It's not my issue, but the government are obviously going to tiptoe around it because they got in off the back of attempting to siphon Tory voters.
I think that some might, however. And that's the rub like Eva said. It's not my issue, but the government are obviously going to tiptoe around it because they got in off the back of attempting to siphon Tory voters.
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EnglishEdward
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Yes, many of us would like various other things such as the ownership of natural monopoly
infrastructure and services in the UK such as sewage and water returned to us.
infrastructure and services in the UK such as sewage and water returned to us.
Snowygerry
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Not sure I get that, could you explain a bit ? What's up with your sewage ?
Ahh, we switched tracks a bit. No, I meant all the other things we've nicked from other places.
I'm afraid there isn't much room in the leading parties to re-nationalise privatised bodies. Doesn't align with their interests, and I'll bet anyone it's not in Reform's either.
EnglishEdward
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The sewage is getting in the rivers supplying water.
Ownership of sewage and water tend to travel together.
Please do a Microsoft Bing search on
"who owns northumbrian water"
Snowygerry
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Well you do apparently, but they bought it..
75% owned by CK Hutchison Holdings, a company based in Hong Kong, and 25% owned by New York private equity firm KKR.
How did that happen...
Maggie sold it.
Northumbrian Water - We Own It
75% owned by CK Hutchison Holdings, a company based in Hong Kong, and 25% owned by New York private equity firm KKR.
How did that happen...
Maggie sold it.
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It does look like Labour are actually following through on this, so I'm happy to be wrong. Time will tell how effectively they're renationalised, however.
South Western, C2C, and Greater Anglia to be renationalised
The rail operators will be renationalised in May, as part of the government's manifesto promise.
www.bbc.co.uk
I agree that a) this is a good move but also that b) let’s see how it goes in terms of delivery.It does look like Labour are actually following through on this, so I'm happy to be wrong. Time will tell how effectively they're renationalised, however.
South Western, C2C, and Greater Anglia to be renationalised
The rail operators will be renationalised in May, as part of the government's manifesto promise.www.bbc.co.uk
The article states that people have called for more investment in railways. I worry that ship has somewhat sailed with the cancellation of HS2, but hopefully more incremental improvements can be made.
I do think that the other main prize to improve the railways is dramatically increased automation. Fundamentally the service is still too expensive to run, and it would be fantastic to see ticket prices come down for once!
It would be a terrible precedent, not least because it's become a cornerstone of British denial of imperialism.
Things such as Thatcher taking away Northumberland's water are what happen when you run out of foreign places to pillage and your companies do to you what they previously did out of sight in Kenya or India or wherever. Under various excuses, imperialism is just thieves giving themselves a free pass. If you question that framework from any point then things start unravelling.
EnglishEdward
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Things already are unravelling.
Oh yes, but there're acceptable unravellings and unacceptable unravellings.
