This country runs on immigrants, and half our service issues at the moment are because we don't have enough! But rather than radically restructure the country or disincentivise companies from employing short-term labour, we'd rather just victimise those people who come over here. And now Labour's getting in on the act too, because apparently they have no ideas and can't be bothered even pretending to be left-wing now.
UK Politics VI - Will Britain Steir to Karmer Waters?
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Cloud_Strife
Deity
Scotland is crying out for more immigration, don't know what you're talking about here
Mega Tsunami
Emperor
Interesting….
This from the Mail.
Still want to lower the voting age Sir Keir? Mail on Sunday poll reveals a third of 16 and 17-year-olds would back Nigel Farage's Reform party in the next election
www.dailymail.co.uk
This from the Mail.
Still want to lower the voting age Sir Keir? Mail on Sunday poll reveals a third of 16 and 17-year-olds would back Nigel Farage's Reform party in the next election
Poll reveals a third of 16 and 17-year-olds would back Reform party
EXCLUSIVE: A poll conducted by Find Out Now found that 30 per cent would back Mr Farage's party, the same percentage as Labour but streaks ahead of the Conservatives.
Are you sharing this because you support lowering the age, or because you're trying to scare the people who support lowering the age?Interesting….
This from the Mail.
Still want to lower the voting age Sir Keir? Mail on Sunday poll reveals a third of 16 and 17-year-olds would back Nigel Farage's Reform party in the next election
Poll reveals a third of 16 and 17-year-olds would back Reform party
EXCLUSIVE: A poll conducted by Find Out Now found that 30 per cent would back Mr Farage's party, the same percentage as Labour but streaks ahead of the Conservatives.
EnglishEdward
Deity
I am not sure how reliable a polling technique it is to
ask parents who their teenager children will vote for.
But the results seem to be a good indication of the gap
between labour government thinking and their electorate.
And those current sixteen and seventeen year olds will be able to
vote in 2029, even if the electoral age is not lowered to 16.
ask parents who their teenager children will vote for.
But the results seem to be a good indication of the gap
between labour government thinking and their electorate.
And those current sixteen and seventeen year olds will be able to
vote in 2029, even if the electoral age is not lowered to 16.
Contrary to what they told Parliament, Special Forces did in fact block over 2000 asylum claims from Afghan commandos who fought with the SAS and SBS prior to the collapse of the previous Afghan state in 2021. So, not only were people who had literally fought with our country abandoned to face possible reprisals from the people they'd fought against, but the MoD secretly vetoed their asylum claims, lied about it in Parliament and have since refused to give any justification why.
What about the other 5?
That is shameful if true - both the veto and the lie.
Senethro
Overlord
Were they worried that bringing them here would make them talkative about something embarrassing maybe?
I've no specific reason to think so, I'm just wondering what is plausible.
I've no specific reason to think so, I'm just wondering what is plausible.
EnglishEdward
Deity
Lots of things are plausible.
I rather think that a lot of the Afghans supposedly cooperating with the uninvited foreign
forces in their country were often playing it both ways i.e. also cooperating with the Taliban,
and I doubt that it is at all possible now to separate them from the other collaborators.
And by the way I rather think their prime motivation was money, they were paid by the
West, and they did't have contracts promising them a life in the west on social security.
I dare say some may be able to testify that UK and other western troops shot the wrong people,
but I suspect that some, working for the Taliban as well may have misled western forces in
selecting targets into doing that. It was a can of worms. Thanks to Donald the UK is well out of it.
I rather think that a lot of the Afghans supposedly cooperating with the uninvited foreign
forces in their country were often playing it both ways i.e. also cooperating with the Taliban,
and I doubt that it is at all possible now to separate them from the other collaborators.
And by the way I rather think their prime motivation was money, they were paid by the
West, and they did't have contracts promising them a life in the west on social security.
I dare say some may be able to testify that UK and other western troops shot the wrong people,
but I suspect that some, working for the Taliban as well may have misled western forces in
selecting targets into doing that. It was a can of worms. Thanks to Donald the UK is well out of it.
EnglishEdward
Deity
There is an interesting article in the BBC about the Labour government trying to
intervene in the final appeal court case in favour of the banks and against consumers.
I find this behaviour quite disgraceful.
intervene in the final appeal court case in favour of the banks and against consumers.
Chancellor Rachel Reeves' intervention in car loans case rejected
The UK's highest court has rejected the Treasury's attempts to intervene in the landmark case.
www.bbc.co.uk
I find this behaviour quite disgraceful.
Cloud_Strife
Deity
Empty suits, all of them
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
Keir Starmer looks like a sad clown 
I never heard him speak so I don't know
I never heard him speak so I don't know
EnglishEdward
Deity
No, clowns are entertaining.
Sir Keir Starmer is boringly predictable.
Boris Johnson, for all his faults, showed he had a sense of humour.
Sir Keir Starmer is boringly predictable.
Boris Johnson, for all his faults, showed he had a sense of humour.
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Lexicus
Deity
Oh man special operations in Afghanistan lol yeah uhhhh let me supply a specific reason
U.K. Special Forces Allowed to ‘Get Away With Murder’ in Afghanistan, Inquiry Told
Evidence released by an official inquiry into alleged war crimes painted a disturbing picture of an elite fighting force with a culture of impunity.
Senethro
Overlord
Oh man special operations in Afghanistan lol yeah uhhhh let me supply a specific reason
U.K. Special Forces Allowed to ‘Get Away With Murder’ in Afghanistan, Inquiry Told
Evidence released by an official inquiry into alleged war crimes painted a disturbing picture of an elite fighting force with a culture of impunity.www.nytimes.com
Yeah, but this is just Tuesday for them. Why would they care?
Actually, thats with benefit of hindsight. They could easily have been concerned at the time they wouldn't have been able to bury it. Hmmmm.
I actually found some good news for a change!
Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row
Apple is taking the unprecedented step of removing its highest level data security tool from customers in the UK, after the government demanded access to user data.
Advanced Data Protection, external (ADP) means only account holders can view items such as photos or documents they have stored online through a process known as end-to-end encryption.
But earlier this month the UK government asked for the right to see the data, which currently not even Apple can access.
Apple did not comment at the time but has consistently opposed creating a "backdoor" in its encryption service, arguing that if it did so, it would only be a matter of time before bad actors also found a way in.
Now the tech giant has decided it will no longer be possible to activate ADP in the UK.
I am sure we all feel much safer now. Anyway, you should not rely on closed source encryption, you should use PGP or something.
Beeb
Apple is taking the unprecedented step of removing its highest level data security tool from customers in the UK, after the government demanded access to user data.
Advanced Data Protection, external (ADP) means only account holders can view items such as photos or documents they have stored online through a process known as end-to-end encryption.
But earlier this month the UK government asked for the right to see the data, which currently not even Apple can access.
Apple did not comment at the time but has consistently opposed creating a "backdoor" in its encryption service, arguing that if it did so, it would only be a matter of time before bad actors also found a way in.
Now the tech giant has decided it will no longer be possible to activate ADP in the UK.
I am sure we all feel much safer now. Anyway, you should not rely on closed source encryption, you should use PGP or something.
Beeb
Broken_Erika
Play with me.
UK may have to leave human rights treaty, says Badenoch
The UK must look again at international agreements, Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch has said.In her first major speech on foreign policy, Badenoch said if the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) continued to stop the government acting in the country's national interest, the UK would "probably have to leave" the treaty.
Speaking during a key week for international diplomacy, she also called for Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer to boost defence spending by pulling funds from development aid, welfare and scrapping the Chagos deal.
It comes as US President Donald Trump has been putting pressure on European leaders to increase defence spending.
Responding to journalists' questions after her speech at an event hosted by the Policy Exchange think tank, Badenoch said: "I have always been very clear that the ECHR should not stop us doing what is right for the people of this country and what is in our national interest, and if it continues to do so at some point we will probably have to leave.
"What I have not agreed with is deciding we should leave without having a plan for what that looks like and how to do so in a way that makes sense."
Setting out how rules were critical for a trading nation like the UK, she added: "But other countries are breaking the rules and we need to get serious about that and not pretend that those things aren't happening and that's really what I want us to focus on."
Badenoch was speaking the day after a series of international events to mark the third anniversary of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Trump has demanded Nato allies raise defence spending to 5% of GDP and opened talks with Russia, excluding Ukraine, on ending Putin's war.
Meanwhile, there has been a deepening rift between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, with the US President falsely suggesting Ukraine started the war and branding Zelensky a "dictator".
Badenoch urged the PM to go further than her party's previous pledge to spend 2.5% of GDP on defence by 2030, saying this was "no longer sufficient".
She said cutting international aid could take that total to 3%, and called on the government to find further savings on the welfare bill, as well as by ditching the multi-billion pound Chagos deal.
"There will be painful decisions on government spending," she said.
"Any country that spends more interest on its debt than on defence, as the UK does today, is destined for weakness."
On Thursday, Sir Keir will visit the White House and signal a shift in the government's approach to bringing about peace, including stepping up UK military support and taking a bigger role in Europe's security.
Sir Keir will be making the case for Ukraine's direct involvement in any peace talks, warning that an insecure settlement without security guarantees for Kyiv could embolden Russia to attack again.
Badenoch raised her concerns that the world may be seeing "a return to the world of the strong and the weak" with the threat from "a new axis of authoritarian powers" including Russia, China and Iran.
On Trump's negotiations with Putin, she said: "The danger is that aggression does not simply go unpunished but ends up being rewarded."
She also reiterated her position that international courts are being used by charities and other organisations "to advance an activist political agenda".
The ECHR was established in 1950 and sets out the rights and freedoms people are entitled to in the 46 signatory countries.
The treaty is a central part of UK human rights law and has been used to halt attempts to deport migrants who are deemed to be in the UK illegally.
The treaty was also recently cited in a case that allowed a Palestinian family the right to live in the UK, after they originally applied through a scheme designed for Ukrainians.
During the Conservative leadership election, Badenoch said leaving the treaty would not be a "silver bullet" to tackling immigration but last week said her party would review the ECHR and Human Rights Act.
Responding to the speech, a Labour spokesperson said: "If Kemi Badenoch was really the 'realist' she says she is, she'd be apologising to the British people for the damage she and her party did to our country.
"Kemi Badenoch was part of a Conservative government which hollowed out our armed forces, made us more reliant on Putin for our energy needs and diminished Britain's standing on the world stage."
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c981lr84013o
