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There are serial rapists, and there are serial false witnesses.

If the identity of people making allegations in court is disclosed,
members of the public may come forward with other instances
of not very dissimilar allegations being made by those people.

By witholding their identities, it means any prior reputation
for making dubious allegations is concealed from the jury.

IIRC the law on rape in England and Wales was changed
so that if an alleged rapist was acquitted and then re-arrested
on a separate charge of rape against another victim, witness
statements from the first trial could be given to the jury at the
second trial. This proved decisive in convicting several rapists.
I am not clear what the law is on this point in Scotland.

If it is the same as in England and Wales, then I would consider
that it seems inconsistent to argue that a witness' past history of
making allegations can be concealed, while a person accused
of rapists can have previous testimony brought forward against them.
 
That comments section is a real trip, coronavirus denialists and all. What’s caused so many lost causes to attach to Craig murray? (Or are they just louder...?)

The comments sections nearly everywhere are toxic. And it's not just the lost causes, there are paid professional trolls around poisoning wells...
 
Yes, there are. Here is a link. No, I don't have any statistical comparisons.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47738892
So there is one serial false witness, who was jailed for ten years for her perjury (and general crimes under law).

It seems to me like you're making it to be a larger problem than it is, and you're doing so because you feel it's unfair that (alleged) rapists get more scrutiny in court than a(n alleged) rapist's accuser(s) does. Hmm.
 
So there is one serial false witness, who was jailed for ten years for her perjury (and general crimes under law).

It seems to me like you're making it to be a larger problem than it is, and you're doing so because you feel it's unfair that (alleged) rapists get more scrutiny in court than a(n alleged) rapist's accuser(s) does. Hmm.

There is more than one example of proven false allegations on rape in the UK, but I am not going to search the internet,
because the point of principle and its adverse practical implications are not related to such comparative statistics.

I have previously made the point that there has been a worrying decline in the total prosecutions and convictions for
rape and similar in the UK and that this is not resolved in chasing weak cases against celebrities such as Alex Salmond.
I do not know whether the complainants against Alex Salmond have a track record of making dubuous complaints,
and I do not know whether, protected by concealment of their identity, they may in the future make dubious allegations.

What I do know is that if I was a juror and I knew that the law said that I was to be kept ignorant of previous
allegations by a complainant, I would be less inclined to believe that complainant than if I knew I had the history.

Therefore a well intentioned law, to protect alleged victims by protecting their anonymity, may have exactly the
reverse effect, the unintended consequences, of resulting in a decreasing likelihood of conviction of rapists.

I don't believe that jurors are as naive as many in the legal profession would have us all believe. Jurors are,
in my opinion, collectively capable of recognising that complainants may have a history, seeing through a
defence lawyer's dishonest smear, and deciding how relevant the clearly established complainant history is.
And even if the jurors are not very bright, the judge can give them a clue or two about weighing the evidence.

But what citizen jurors can not do is safely convict when the lawyers decide to withhold relevant evidence from them.
So witholding of evidence is always risky: it can result in the guilty being acquited and the innocent being gaoled.
If complainant names are kept secret, those with reputational evidence won't come forward so it is de facto witheld.
 
Is the real beef of UK politics at the moment not how much COVID financial aid will flow to society and in how far the Tories already plan austerity because they do not dare much QE and MMT ?

EDIT
here a report of a Dutch bank, also very active in London City, on which countries could, which countries should, and which countries should not use MMT.
The UK is red: MMT unwise because of the twin deficit, especially the structural deficit on the Current Account

https://economics.rabobank.com/publications/2020/july/money-printing-first-do-no-harm/#6be2b607-17f0-44fc-9 c3c-040beea52554

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But does the UK have a current account deficit and the US a surplus? Obviously I checked: the US is like the UK, negative balances.

United Kingdom 2019 -106,885,811.63
United States 2019 -498,350,000.00

Those bank economists... Both the US and the UK can spend because foreigners will take their money, it's as simple as that. Perhaps some day they won't, but now the wealthy in every country are happy spiders on the webs of international finance, always having their look funneled through London or NY to the "paradises" that shield it from there. The prey caught on those webs are the plebs worldwide, and that prey has been notably tame.
 
But does the UK have a current account deficit and the US a surplus? Obviously I checked: the US is like the UK, negative balances.

United Kingdom 2019 -106,885,811.63
United States 2019 -498,350,000.00

Those bank economists... Both the US and the UK can spend because foreigners will take their money, it's as simple as that. Perhaps some day they won't, but now the wealthy in every country are happy spiders on the webs of international finance, always having their look funneled through London or NY to the "paradises" that shield it from there. The prey caught on those webs are the plebs worldwide, and that prey has been notably tame.

Because the US holds the top of the pyramid, the reserve currency USD, that current account condition does not apply to the US

did you read the article ?
 
Because the US holds the top of the pyramid, the reserve currency USD, that current account condition does not apply to the US

did you read the article ?

My point is that such an assessment is wrong. The US does not alone sit on top of the pyramid because of reserve currency. It's on top because international finance is either outright owned on depends on US institutions, routes its money through those institutions. It doesn't matter the currency it is denominated in. And the UK specifically shares that place, London has been operating as the arm of this structure on this side of the Atlantic. This is not the 1970s anymore.
American and british finance are "too big to fail", because if either fails the dominoes all fall. "The market" will never really undermine its national currencies because that would be suicide: the british state cannot be allowed to fail, else international capitalism collapses. Likewise with the american. A modern Soros might play with exchange rates a little bout would be forced to back of it they moved too much. The BoE will simply intervene then and every market played will pretend that its fine and dandy, whereas if the say the Bank of Greece intervened in tehgs ame way it'd be immediately trounced. There will always be unlimited swap lines for the BoE.

This "too big to fail" role is also any EU threats against London are toothless and the UK's governments and financiers know that perfectly. Unless the EU was up to ending international capitalism and globalization as it exists today, it cannot threaten London's dominant position in international finance in Europe. There is no political will to do that.
 
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Probably best-served in the UK Politics thread. The voter disenfranchisement I was on about has various roots, from the Liberal Democrats, to the laughable Change UK nonsense, through to the Labour Party actively sabotaging itself so that the socialists wouldn't look good. Ironically, the one block that's probably best-insulated from this as classic / heartland Tory voters. Brexit might have been a temporarily-polarising issue, but we've also been through the pandemic now, which the Tories leveraged for maximum PR (as anyone would expect them to).


I understand that perspective. But I don't think that the Tories' prospects are quite as good as you indicate.

I see UK voter disenfranchisement in four contexts:

(a) fixed Term Parliament Act (conservative manifesto promised to repeal it, but when?)
(b) cancellation of local elections due to Coronavirus (when will they be rescheduled?)
(c) government shackling UK to foreign interests (so called "withdrawal agreement" and US militarism)
(d) foreign (for example, but not limited to, Russian) funding of MPs, there is meat here absent from the referendum.

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To be honest the election was up for grabs in the UK, it had the most open and diverse choice of parties with a chance of election MPs in 50 years. It was the leaders of several parties who screwed up and just handed Boris Johnson an overwhelming victory. The UK's political system, and its voters, had their choices. And it will have it again in a few year's time. No one forced Corbyn to be a whimp in dealing with internal sabotage. Boris certainly showed how that could be dealt with.

The UK's December 2019 general election was in many ways a quite peculiar election.


The top down decision imposed by the former LibDem leader (Jo Swinson) to campaign on the basis of simply cancelling UK exit
from the EU by simply revoking the invocation of Article 50 was quite extraordinary and amounted to a self inflicted disaster for their party.

It is said that English politicians do not understand the Scots, but in this case I think that it was quite the opposite. I really do not think that
Jo Swinson understood the political situation outside of Scotland. That Remain pledge was designed to win votes from Remainer Labour voters
and thereby set up the Lib Democrats as the replacement of Laour as the opposition party. It was announced without much in the way of prior
consultation with the Lib Dems MPs and was viewed in horror by many. E.g. The outgoing (he had a stroke) MP for North Norfolk (Norman Lamb)
knew that it doomed his successor candidate. That Jo Swanson decision had two major impacts. Firstly I believe that most English LibDem seats
and possible LibDems seats were in areas where the Leave vote won, and the primary rival was a conservative, so it doomed their candidates there.
Arising from that fear of loss of votes to the Lib Dems enabled Keir Starmer to push Jeremy Corbyn to a much more pro-Remain, very poorly disguised
in the context of a Labour BRINO and further referendum, position. That meant that the LibDems did not gain much against Labour in the cities, but more
significantly it; Secondly meant that Labour lost its appeal to the Leave voters, and consolidated loose Leave voters towards voting for the conservatives.
Thereby resulting in the election of a conservative government with a large majority, despite the fact that most of their voters don't really much like them.

In other words the Boris Johnson benefited not from support for him, but from two strategic mistakes by his opponents, that are unlikely to be repeated.
I suspect that many conservatives will assume that is a permanent change in the political landscape, and are likely have their hands caught in the till again.

I don't know what will happen next, but if the LibDem membership elects Ed Davey, who was if I recall correctly one of the less incompetent ministers
in the UK's 2010-2015 coalition government, the Liberal Democrats may well stage a significant recovery in many UK constituencies.
 
Given what people will do for free, I’m never sure how significant this sort of thing is.
It helps steer the flow. Also quite a few do such things to get clicks and therefore money, i.e. they're freelancers.
 
It looks like people are more free to protest in England than in Scotland, where the "scottish national party" leadership has people arrested for organizing political marches for independence.

But keep pretending BoJo is the only problem in the UK. At least that one got what people voted for in a referendum done. I guess Scotland's PM can also claim that they're enforcing the "no" result in Scotland's referendum...
 
Is Craig Murray your latest go-to person for "wake up, sheeple!" comments?
 
It looks like people are more free to protest in England than in Scotland, where the "scottish national party" leadership has people arrested for organizing political marches for independence.

But keep pretending BoJo is the only problem in the UK. At least that one got what people voted for in a referendum done. I guess Scotland's PM can also claim that they're enforcing the "no" result in Scotland's referendum...

They seem to think that initiating a protest is like organising a football match or a business operation.

From that article.

The reasons for jailing Manni being put forward by loyalists all over social media – he "started
the demo late"
, "he didn’t have insurance", there were "not enough licensed bouncers" as stewards, he
didn’t fill the right road closure form – are PRECISELY the reasons authorities and their loyalists put
forward for banning all the protests pictured above.

"It is" not a football match.

"This" is a serious offence against financial capitalism.

"It is" not a nightclub.
 
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