Again, even if I accepted all claims in your post at face value, I find it strange how you seem to ignore that this "US plan" hinges entirely on Russia's willingness to invade and annex pieces of its neighbor. As if that was something Russia was forced to do to survive... all while you yourself admit they actually have nothing to fear from US.
Just pointing out Russian tendency to call what happened in Kiev a "foreign coup" due to this alleged financial assistance, while what happened in Donbass was, of course, bona fide civil war.
Both cases started as genuine grassroot protests. In Kiev it didn't escalate into full blown civil war, because Yanukovich ran away after few months of protests instead of sending tanks and planes against protesters.Just pointing out Russian tendency to call what happened in Kiev a "foreign coup" due to this alleged financial assistance, while what happened in Donbass was, of course, bona fide civil war.
The first part was basically the original Bolshevik position. They only got cold feet once people started trying to do the second part.Well using that logic one can declear Russia a fake country and peel off Dagestan or something.
If you believe that there was no oppression of Russian language, perhaps correct the wiki article on Poroshenko.I'm too lazy to check his post history. I only noticed he posted BS regarding "oppression of Russian language" in Ukraine, and responded. Smells like RusPropaganda narrative, probably Russian or Russian sympathizer. Idk.
Both cases started as genuine grassroot protests. In Kiev it didn't escalate into full blown civil war, because Yanukovich ran away after few months of protests instead of sending tanks and planes against protesters.
It takes two to tango. Rebels demands were not unreasonable - decentralization reform and restoring regional status of Russian language. National minorities in many other countries have more rights than Donetsk people wanted. Ukraine sent army against them.And in Donbas it did escalate into full blown war only because of Russian efforts. Other parts of South-Eastern Ukraine had similar riots, but they were quelled either by the authorities or by pro-Ukraine locals themselves, basically bloodless (except in Odessa).
The self-determination axe cuts both ways—didn’t the Chechens want independence, and Russia sent in its armies?
Does whataboutism axe cut both ways too?The self-determination axe cuts both ways—didn’t the Chechens want independence, and Russia sent in its armies?
Talked about it a little earlier this thread (edit: see beginning page 179). I think the conclusion was that Russia decided the Chechens didn't deserve self-determination because it wasn't convenient for RussiaThe self-determination axe cuts both ways—didn’t the Chechens want independence, and Russia sent in its armies?
And Russia has sent "volunteers" to invade neighboring Ukraine's region(s). What's your point?Chechens got independence in 1997. Ended up sending Islamist gangs to invade neighboring Russia's region.
And USA illegally invaded Iraq in 2003. What Chechnya has to do with Ukraine?And Russia has sent "volunteers" to invade neighboring Ukraine's region(s). What's your point?
We're not talking about Iraq, we're talking about the right to self-determination and Russia's routine violations of it. Why are you changing the subject?And USA illegally invaded Iraq in 2003. What's Chechnya has to do with Ukraine?
We're not talking about Chechnya. Why are you changing the subject?We're not talking about Iraq, we're talking about the right to self-determination and Russia's routine violations of it. Why are you changing the subject?