Ukraine sold to Russia?

[red_elk]

Hmm, yes I saw videos blocked due to copyright issues, but they usually are simply removed after complain of copyright holders - not blocked in particular country. I wonder whether Poland or other EU members are censoring youtube videos due to political reasons.

 

[Borachio]

Is there any truth to the rumour that Putin is a closet homosexual?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477089/Gay-Russians-claim-bare-chested-Putin-own.html

 

[Tahuti]

The problem of such rumours is that almost every national leader in history has been rumoured to be a closet homosexual.

 

[red_elk]

Is there any truth to the rumour that Putin is a closet homosexual?

May be Radio Free Europe can answer that, it always have reliable information on anything related to Russia.
I doubt anyone else on this forum can

 

[Takhisis]

Just because he is bald and rides tricycles doesn't make him gay.

 

[warpus]

Is a closet homosexual a male who makes love to male closets?

 

[Takhisis]

Or maybe he has a fetish for having intercourse inside a cupboard?

 

[red_elk]

After Lenin was a mushroom show, any similar idea about Putin doesn't seem too strange.

 

[Borachio]

Russia’s attack on the rights of homosexuals has included passing a law banning adoptions by same-sex married couples and by citizens of countries that permit same-sex marriages, as well as the now-infamous law that criminalizes propagandizing on behalf of “nontraditional sexual relations.” Both laws were adopted by overwhelming majorities in the national legislature.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/19/3473364/with-anti-gay-law-russia-takes.html

The irony is that in the Western media, the homosexual propaganda law is often identified as “Putin’s anti-gay propaganda law.” Yes, he signed the bill into law and his parliamentary faction supported it, but its origins lie more in the grass roots than in the Kremlin.



The notion of prohibiting “homosexual propaganda” to protect children is not a recent idea in Russia; it has been kicked around in Russian national and regional legislatures for 10 years. More than a dozen of Russia’s regional legislatures adopted similar laws in that time. The Ryazan regional government adopted such a law “on the protection of the morals of children in the Ryazan region” as long ago as 2006. Vladimir Putin’s hometown of St. Petersburg – a city of 5 million, often described as Russia’s cultural capital and the most thoroughly Westernized city in the country – adopted a similar law in March 2012.

Well, I think it's pretty clear that Putin's sexuality is under a cloud. If not a mushroom cloud.

 

[Formaldehyde]

Hmm, yes I saw videos blocked due to copyright issues, but they usually are simply removed after complain of copyright holders - not blocked in particular country. I wonder whether Poland or other EU members are censoring youtube videos due to political reasons.

I see them now and then based on videos posted in the Youtube thread.

 

[bhsup]

Is there any truth to the rumour that Putin is a closet homosexual?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-477089/Gay-Russians-claim-bare-chested-Putin-own.html

hey man, if you got it, flaunt it.

 

[Borachio]

Yes. I suppose if a person has something to prove, they go out of their way to prove it.

Those of us who aren't in any doubt, don't need to bother.

 

[Domen]

Song about the Volhynian Genocide:

Massacres of Poles in Volhynia and Eastern Galicia

Gammadion, Broken Tie (translation to English):

I.

Subcarpathian wind carries sorrow songs
Of despair, dramas, immensity of human tears
I can still hear the moan of murdered ones
Through the glows of blazes feverish wrath

II.

Broken by hatred, brotherly tie
Doom of Polish blood, of innocent victims slaughter
Though we ate the same bread from our common land
Someone poisoned your hearts, the ones fed on conflagration

III.

When neighbour against neighbour became worst tormentor
Stalin at the Kremlin was rubbing his hands
Hiding the sneer, he was playing his own game
Of Ukrainian famine he no longer had to repent

Ref:

So much I would like, brother, to give you my hand
So much I would like to be able to forgive all of evil
Because I know, that to survive we need to go together
Even though a stab in the back strongly sticks in one's mind

So much I would like, brother, to give you my hand
So much I would like to be able to forgive all of evil
Because I know, that to survive we need to go together
Even though voices of murdered ones still shout from their graves


Link to video.

Text in Polish:

Spoiler :

I.

Podkarpacki wiatr niesie smutną pieśń
Rozpaczy, dramatów, ogrom ludzkich łez
Wciąż jeszcze słyszę mordowanych jęk
Przez łuny pożarów rozpalony gniew

II.

Przerwana przez nienawiść braterska więź
Polskiej krwi zagłada niewinnych ofiar rzeź
Choć ze wspólnej ziemi jedliśmy ten sam chleb
Ktoś zatruł wasze serca pożogą karmił się

III.

Gdy sąsiad na sąsiada najgorszym katem stawał się
Stalin na Kremlu już zacierał ręce swe
Skrywał szyderczy uśmiech, prowadził swoją grę
Za ukraiński głód nie musiał już tłumaczyć się

Ref:

Tak bardzo chciałbym bracie podać ci dłoń
Tak bardzo chciałbym móc wybaczyć całe zło
Bo wiem, że aby przetrwać musimy razem iść
Choć cios zadany w plecy w pamięci mocno tkwi

Tak bardzo chciałbym bracie podać ci dłoń
Tak bardzo chciałbym móc wybaczyć całe zło
Bo wiem, że aby przetrwać musimy razem iść
Choć głos pomordowanych zza grobu jeszcze krzyczy dziś

 

[Takhisis]

^Very moving, yet this thread is about present-day Ukraine, not Poland some seventy years ago, and neither is it about the Russian Empire under Tsar Ivan.

 

[Domen]

Yes, it is about present Ukraine and present day Ukraine and Poland "to survive need to go together" within the European Union.

Song describes events from 70 years ago, but it contains a message which is valid today - we should forgive each other the past and integrate.

and neither is it about the Russian Empire under Tsar Ivan.

Tsar Ivan or Tsar Vladimir - same thing, just different names. As for "Russian Emprie" - modern Russia still plays around with its imperial ambitions.

 

[Takhisis]

It's just as anachronical and out-of-place as red_elk quoting Pushkin.

 

[Domen]

Pushkin lived in 18th and early 19th centuries and this band exists in 21st century while events it describes took place in 20th century.

And Stalin's first name was not Ivan, but Joseph.

The song's anti-Communist, integrational and conciliatory message actually fits very well to current events in Ukraine:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=12930771

 

[Takhisis]

Well, at least you are acknowledging that Poland is in Eastern Europe.

I mentioned Tsar Ivan because some of the Russians here have made references to events happening three, four or more hundred years ago. Believe it or not, not everything is about Poland in this world.

 

[AdamCrock]

And Stalin's first name was not Ivan, but Joseph.

Wrong ! Stalin first real name was Iosif (Józef) (not Joseph !) Wissarionowicz Dżugaszwili that is : იოსებ ჯუღაშვილი and Иосиф Виссарионович Сталин

oh wait ..... Iosif is Joseph ...... awww shucks !!!!! - now that I'm half posting it I might as well admit how dumb I am so here it goes ..... awww shucks ! (o holera - faktycznie)

 

[AdamCrock]

Well, at least you are acknowledging that Poland is in Eastern Europe

Shhhhhushhhhh man ! Quiet ! You dont want the wrath of Domen's "Poland walls" all over the place do You ? So keep quiet man ! You berk ! xD