Uma Thurman re the Weinstein issue & something to come

[Ryika]

Who here is doing that? Because I haven't really seen that.

Well, Zkribbler did exactly that above. Likely not intentionally, to be fair.
Other than that, yeah, people here are pretty consistent on the issue in my experience.

Lena Dunham on the other hand...

 

[Zkribbler]

No, he actually groped her. I saw the picture in question and his hand was definitely on her breast.

Nope, hovering just above her breasts. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5092825/Al-Franken-accuser-Grope-photo-fa

 

[Ryika]

Nope, hovering just above her breasts. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5092825/Al-Franken-accuser-Grope-photo-fa

"Franken groped Tweeden while she slept on a military transport plane (pictured) and forcibly kissed her backstage during a 2006 USO goodwill tour; she now says this photo was meant to send her a message that he had power over her"

 

[Zkribbler]

Commodore says, "I saw the picture in question and his hand was definitely on her breast." I say look at the photo.

 

[Ryika]

Yeah, but you say that after you a.) gave a summary of the story that either intentionally, or due to a lack of information, completely ignores what she said happened, and b.) ignored the corrections to your summary, but still chose to respond to the post that - with an incorrect summary of the picture indeed - summarized her side of the story.

I feel a bit dirty for arguing like that, but... you see how that doesn't exactly look good, right?

 

[Zkribbler]

I never summarized the story.

In retrospect, I should have linked to a copy of the pic which wasn't in an anti-Franken article.

 

[Kyriakos]

Meanwhile the thread is about Weistein, not Frankenstein; Uma likely means Tarantino if anyone else.

 

[Berzerker]

It's weird that people thinking Franken resigning would be a loss of a dem vote. The Minnesota governor is a democrat and would appoint someone until a special election (which would probably be held on 2018 midterms). A democrat would almost certainly win in 2018 midterms as well as 2020 (when the term ends).

that was my reaction too... I think its more about Maher's friendship with Franken.

You think Uma's talking about Tarantino? I'd be surprised, one of the actresses who think Weinstein hurt her career got hired later by Rodriguez and Tarantino.

https://www.salon.com/2017/11/20/al-franken-wont-resign-amid-growing-pressure/

Franken's in trouble

 

[Kyriakos]

She likely is, yes, given Tarantino infamously claimed (or allowed the insinuation when asked) that he was dating her. And that when Uma was married.

Not that i will be surprised if her revelations will just be about Weinstein either.

 

[JollyRoger]

I went on a date with Uma and the restaurant was a little bit more casual than I had anticipated. When I asked "Jacket off?", I think she misunderstood me, but her Hollywood training was obvious.

 

[metalhead]

And notice all the Democrats and leftists (including the ones here) rushing to either defend them or minimize their offenses? Yeah, that just confirms what everyone's been saying for years: That Democrats and their supporters are just as disgustingly partisan and hypocritical as Republicans and their supporters.

It's extraordinarily silly to act like you can't try to differentiate an unwanted kiss & inappropriate, possibly groping photo from molesting a 14 year old girl and serially preying on teenage girls to the point of getting banned from the local mall. It's not "just as disgusting" to excuse Al Franken as it is to excuse Roy Moore. What Roy Moore did is orders of magnitude worse than what Al Franken did.

You can argue that Al Franken's behavior is still over the line. I'd agree with you if you did, even - he should absolutely resign, especially in the wake of the more recent allegation of a photo-op butt grab. But surely you can see that there is a legitimate, non-hypocritical argument to be made that the line belongs somewhere between Al Franken and Roy Moore.

Obviously, there are also partisan idiots on Twitter and elsewhere who are hypocritically excusing or minimizing Al Frankens behavior, but you're the idiot to talk like that in any way applies to "The Democrats." Where are there elected officials anywhere defending Al Franken's less serious crimes, versus the Alabama Republicans who have gone all-in on defending Roy Moore?

And by the way, where is your, "Both are innocent because they haven't been proven guilty yet beyond a reasonable doubt" defense?

 

[Berzerker]

Wait a sec, Franken crossed the line or he didn't?

Comparing the two does try to minimize Franken's behavior, you're doing the 'whatabout' that other sinner?

 

[metalhead]

I . . . are you really trying to say that we shouldn't try to delineate degrees of bad behavior? Everyone accused of any transgression, no matter the degree, has to immediately pack up and leave?

Saying that we can distinguish degrees of the offenses isn't "whatabouting." It's a legitimate question whether Al Franken's behavior necessitates the same consequences as Roy Moore's. One is obviously worse than the other.

 

[Kyriakos]

I . . . are you really trying to say that we shouldn't try to delineate degrees of bad behavior? Everyone accused of any transgression, no matter the degree, has to immediately pack up and leave?

Saying that we can distinguish degrees of the offenses isn't "whatabouting." It's a legitimate question whether Al Franken's behavior necessitates the same consequences as Roy Moore's. One is obviously worse than the other.

He is saying that the reason you choose to view this relativistically is because the end-effect would be some type of apologetic stance regarding Franken. It goes to stuff like Trump vs Bill Clinton re who (as if only one has to be) is a predator, in which the dems were rather vehemently defensive of Bill.
Anyway, i think that the gist of the situation is that a large part of dem voters are demanding the downfall of some (but not all; see Clintons) tarnished politicians, while the repub voters seem to be more protective of their own scum. You can argue that this is unfair, yet being 'feminist' was marketed as a trait of the dem party (which isn't true; some voters care more about this, but the political leadership uses it to play voters against each other and brand itself) so the end-result of firings of less important figures tied to the dems is merely the result of the brand, and not some commendable humanism.

 

[Berzerker]

I . . . are you really trying to say that we shouldn't try to delineate degrees of bad behavior? Everyone accused of any transgression, no matter the degree, has to immediately pack up and leave?

Saying that we can distinguish degrees of the offenses isn't "whatabouting." It's a legitimate question whether Al Franken's behavior necessitates the same consequences as Roy Moore's. One is obviously worse than the other.

That is 'whataboutism', you're pointing to Moore as if he matters to what Franken has done... Neither should be in the Senate, Moore's worse behavior only means he should be sitting in a cage. Well, statute of limitations prevents that from happening.

 

[Ryika]

Really puts the outrage over Trump's "Grab her by the butterfly!"-comment into perspective when you think about it.

 

[inthesomeday]

Leftist here. Liberals definitely showing bias with the Franken situation here, just as conservatives showing bias with the Moore situation.

 

[Oerdin]

Just watched Bill Maher's show from last night, in one sentence he went from condemning Moore and the GOP for supposedly allowing him into the Senate because they need his vote to explaining why Al Franken shouldn't resign because Democrats need his vote. His argument? They're not the same. No, they're not, and neither should be in the Senate. Not one guest disagreed, sorry LeeAnn, you're not gonna find much support from the Democrats on this. They'll pay lip service because they know the hypocrisy they're inviting in for the holidays but they aint gonna hold Franken accountable. Oh look, Franken has called for an ethics investigation. Gee, what a guy, our hero... Sickening partisan hacks. If the Alabama GOP rejects Moore's bid for the Senate, will Democrats then demand Franken's resignation? Hell no...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-al-franken-to-resign/?utm_term=.3be574832532

a feminist doesn't want him to resign

Are you saying pedophilia is the same as hitting on a grown woman? I would say Franken was crude and if I lived in Wisconsin I would certainly look for someone else to vote for but saying that is the same as pedophilia boggles the mind. One can consent and the other legally cannot.

 

[Bamspeedy]

Are you saying pedophilia is the same as hitting on a grown woman? I would say Franken was crude and if I lived in Wisconsin I would certainly look for someone else to vote for but saying that is the same as pedophilia boggles the mind. One can consent and the other legally cannot.

Wisconsin may have some people to be embarrassed by, but Franken is not one of them, he belongs to Minnesota.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Leftist here. Liberals definitely showing bias with the Franken situation here, just as conservatives showing bias with the Moore situation.

Yup, discriminating between inappropriate groping and attempted rape of a minor and multiple assaults and transgressions against other minors is super serial bias.