UN Human Rights Council - fair and balanced since 2006
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Zarn
Le Républicain Catholique
Israel kicked my puppy. 
woody60707
Deity
No, people are waking up to the fact that Hamas and there "wave of propaganda" is wrong. That is not the same as Israel being right.
Cato the Elder
King
Exactly. Both parties are wrong and anyone not blindly partisan (for either side) realises that.
Also, Winner, what are you trying to prove with this thread? A massive UN conspiracy against the state of Israel? If that were the case why haven't they invaded yet, they even have an excuse now.
Ecofarm
Deity
It's not a conspiracy. It's just a few terrorist states and EU sympathizers promoting dozens of bogus wrist-slaps.
They tried, remember? Like 6 countries took a shot at Israel and they all got spanked. Muslim armies are pathetic.
warpus
In pork I trust
It's strange to see you take the side of a European, Ecofarm. I thought I remembered you saying a couple days ago that we were all crazy, or something 
plarq
Crazy forever
UN is balanced, but not fair...
Being fair and being balanced contradict with each other.
Being fair and being balanced contradict with each other.
Ecofarm
Deity
You know I just hate France and Canada 
jessiecat
Divine Monarch
You know I just hate France and Canada
Cultural penis-envy. It can infect anyone, I hear.
The UN Human Rights Council is rubbish (even Ban Ki Moon has been critical of it) and biased, although that doesn't nessecarily mean its criticism of Israel is wrong.
Cato the Elder
King
6 Islamic countries ≠ the whole of the UN. If you're going to blame the organisation for this, you have to blame all of them, and with the exception of indeed several other countries in the Middle East, I don't see anyone trying to invade Israel anytime soon, especially not with the support of even a slight majority of its members.
Ecofarm
Deity
That's not true. I have to blame the US for the anti-Israel crap that goes on in the UN??
As it would be (rationally) impossible to put blame on every single country for every single thing the UN does, the statement above is ridiculous.
Cato the Elder
King
People are saying the UN is worthless because several of its members have a staunch anti-Israel stance, and because there is apparently, criticism of Israel in certain resolutions, maybe a bit too much. I react by saying that it's daft to think the UN as a whole is anti-Israel, if that were the case then the UN could've staged an invasion now, because it has a reason and a cause now. But it doesn't, and that's where you reacted about 6 Arab nations having invaded them, and that that's somehow representative of the UN as a whole.
It works in two directions, lad.
holy king
Deity
it was six in the morning and i was drunk. dont blame me, blame the drug.
holy king
Deity
Lockesdonkey
Liberal Jihadist
The reason the HRC is not exactly friendly to Israel is that, for all of the UN's history, the Arab states and their sympathizers have far outnumbered Israel and its allies. The EU is actually far more supportive of Israel than the UN as a whole; Germany in particular has a very friendly Israel policy (I wonder why...). The problem for Israel is that the vast, vast majority of UN member states are either Third World countries or ex-Soviet Bloc states. The Arabs--Egypt especially--were very prominent in the establishment of the Non-Aligned Movement, and through that role, they were able to successfully propagate the view that Israel was an extension of European colonialism. That Israel's leaders have all been Ashkenazis and that all Israeli PMs until Rabin were born in Europe hasn't helped matters. Among the ex-Communist countries, they inherit their Israel policy from the Soviet Union; while Israel-USSR relations were actually pretty good 1948-1950 (the Soviet Union actually helped the Israeli side, sending weapons via Czechoslovakia), Israel backed the US on the Korean War, and the Soviet Union never forgot the snub.
In any case, the HRC is a far, far better organization than its predecessor, which was a committee of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). Now, it's legitimate to have human rights violators on ECOSOC, since its main purpose is not human rights but rather the discussion of general development and social matters, as well as coordinating the UN's specialized agencies. However, since normal committees of UN Principal Organs (including ECOSOC) include all members of that organ, having the HRC be a normal ECOSOC committee was a bad idea. The new HRC has a hardly angelic membership, but frankly there aren't enough non-human rights violators to form a council that isn't also heavily weighted to one part of the world--and this being the UN, that will simply never do. Regions have unique interests and values, and to allow the EU, US and their friends to run the show runs the risk of the HRC being abused for their interests.
In any case, the HRC is a far, far better organization than its predecessor, which was a committee of the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC). Now, it's legitimate to have human rights violators on ECOSOC, since its main purpose is not human rights but rather the discussion of general development and social matters, as well as coordinating the UN's specialized agencies. However, since normal committees of UN Principal Organs (including ECOSOC) include all members of that organ, having the HRC be a normal ECOSOC committee was a bad idea. The new HRC has a hardly angelic membership, but frankly there aren't enough non-human rights violators to form a council that isn't also heavily weighted to one part of the world--and this being the UN, that will simply never do. Regions have unique interests and values, and to allow the EU, US and their friends to run the show runs the risk of the HRC being abused for their interests.
Winner
Diverse in Unity
Correction: Czechoslovakia supplied Israel with Czech (and ex-German) weapons with Soviet approval. This is often misinterpreted as purely Soviet initiative, but the truth is that Czechoslovakia has been supporting the Jews in Palestine since the end of the WW2 (it was helping to smuggle them in and arm them, it also supported the Jews in the UN), before the Communist coup in 1948. Czech support for Israel initially fit into the Soviet plans, so it was encouraged. The cooperation was stopped when the Soviets ordered it, otherwise the Czech commies would gladly continue to arm the Israelis (and get cash in return - socialists in their hearts, eh?
). You can imagine how happy the Czech commies were when they were ordered to arm/train the incompetent and poor Egyptians for free.Afaik HRC is a successor to Human Rights Commission.
Lockesdonkey
Liberal Jihadist
Thanks for the info. My great-uncle was one of those "poor and incompetent Egyptians," and frankly, he agrees with that assessment in retrospect.Correction: Czechoslovakia supplied Israel with Czech (and ex-German) weapons with Soviet approval. This is often misinterpreted as purely Soviet initiative, but the truth is that Czechoslovakia has been supporting the Jews in Palestine since the end of the WW2 (it was helping to smuggle them in and arm them, it also supported the Jews in the UN), before the Communist coup in 1948. Czech support for Israel initially fit into the Soviet plans, so it was encouraged. The cooperation was stopped when the Soviets ordered it, otherwise the Czech commies would gladly continue to arm the Israelis (and get cash in return - socialists in their hearts, eh?
Which was a sub-organ of ECOSOC, as opposed to HRC, which is a special body created under the auspices of (of all things) the Security Council. Thanks for reminding me of the name.
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