Unique Features Development

It also gums up the game. A player playin the Empire would go, "Why do I have 6+ UWs?" It would get annoyin. Yeah, it might sound somewat cool at 1st. But after the 3rd UW, they start goin, "This is a waste of turns and hammers".
 
Middenhiem is the oldest city in the Empire, Ulric created the bowl or at least claims to *meteor cough cough* it was designed by Dwarves (some of it) it has the largest defenses in the Empire with the walls all around the rim etc.

Middenhiem holds the Ar-Ulric the second most powerful priest in the Empire (he is an elector) and the White Wolves.


But Karl Franz is not from there he is the Elector of Riekland and that is why Altdorf is the current capital (they shift to the Electorate the Emperor comes from, Nuln was the capital immediately prior to Altdorf and before the shift was the most important city, prior to that im trying to think but im quite sure there was no single capital there were 3)

Sigmar is not from that area his is was a Southern Chieftan and its hinted that Karl Franz is actually a blood relation, since the Electors of Reikland rule Sigmars original area and since the Electors of Riekland have an unbroken line to Sigmar through is daughter from memory...

I guess though if you want to make the arguement...Altdorf spans the Riek, Nuln has the biggest bridge in the world, Herdig is built in the Forest on a big crag...

La'Anegle in Brettoina is built on High Elven ruins... Marienburg is as well and its built on an inasccesable swamp that requires guides to traverse...

Most cities have a unique feature.

BY your argument all high elf cities would be unique features, of course that is silly. Spanning a river is no big deal, contradict me with a real world argument if you please. Nuln's big bridge should probably be a wonder. No idea what Herdig is...Regarding Karl Franz, please provide your source for his birthright, last time I check he was simply the best man for the job, per the Warhammer Battle background, in the RPG background he is just a jackarse. Also don't forget that Marienburg is home to one of the biggest sea elf populations, perhaps that should be a unique feature (come on people, the moot rates a unique feature after all, try to tell me that an elven-moot would not rate it's own feature)
 
Karl Franz is from the Empire Army book the Elector of Riekland simple. You must be an elector to be be Emperor there has been a single deviation from that rule, Magnus of Nuln and he was the Chosen of Sigmar you cant argue with that pedigree.

Evidence as follows; Altdorf is the Capital and since the Capital follows to whichever City the Elector is from and since Altdorf is capital of Reikland;
Karl Franz used the Riekland Runefang during the Storm of Chaos campaign instead of Gharaz Maul because it went to the Chosen of Sigmar Valten;
Karl Franz is mentioned a not insignificant amount of times as "The Elector of Riekland" in White Dwarf, the Empire Army books and numerious other sources.
I dont care about the RPG i've never played, dont intend to... however when applicable it can be used and it will/has been used quite copiously but with due reverence to Warhammer Fantasy canon as it is.

Your arguement leads to an absurd conclusion by its nature;

If you give one city a wonder because of its nature/terrian/whatever, then by that token almost every city in the world should get a wonder because of its nature/terrain/whatever you cannot draw the line objectively and fairly where that division should happen and if you open that little cat out of the bag you are only going to end up with perverse outcomes by the very nature of the argument. It doesnt matter where you draw that line, you will end up drawing it, be that line drawn by time constraints, modding constraints or just a subjective judgement on your part. Since in this case im sure every arguement presented will have as fair, as logical and as equally reasonable outcomes with the rest of the arguements presented you will rather caught.


Exactly by that token all cities in Warhammer should have wonders being built in the bowl of a Meteoric crater created apparently the Ulric should make no difference.

Its not just the arguement itself thats flawed, its the means of applying that arguement and logical train of thought. Rocklikeafool summed it up nicely and in far fewer words this part of the arguement, "Build stuff for all of em. Or for none of em." He's entirely right there would be a saturation point at which interest fades.

Heres some examples of cities deserving equal attention for something spectacular, these are confined to the Empire (since im sure given the time PL could come up with a million for the WE etc et al)

Lets also not forget that Altdorf has the all the Orders of Magic Buildings, the Imperial Palace itself, the Rieksguards Knights Head Quarters, the Palace of the Grand Theogonist of Sigmar.

Nuln has the Imperial Armoury the largest industrial plant in the world, the largest libary in the world, the bones of Magnus of Nuln Sigmars Chosen.

Herdig is in the Empire in the great forest, it is built on a crag and boasts fortifacations second only to Middenhiem.

Marienburg is the largest Port in the world, surronded by a giangantic swamp that is rather lethal and requires guides, has the largest markets in the known world and is probably the only working example of a formative democracy in the world.

And thats just the Empire, sure some of them might not be as "important" but given the partisanship and wonder inherant in the cities of Warhammer it would be impossible to judge what is deserving of inclusion and what is not.

Personally Rocklikeafools arguement is more elegant than mine, simplicty is in itself sometimes beautiful.

EDIT: The Moot is not worth much at all, it deserves to be piece of terrain which gives extra food and allows Halflings to be recruited as soldiers... otherwise no it doesnt deserve anything.
 
Karl Franz is from the Empire Army book the Elector of Riekland simple. You must be an elector to be be Emperor there has been a single deviation from that rule, Magnus of Nuln and he was the Chosen of Sigmar you cant argue with that pedigree.

Evidence as follows; Altdorf is the Capital and since the Capital follows to whichever City the Elector is from and since Altdorf is capital of Reikland;
Karl Franz used the Riekland Runefang during the Storm of Chaos campaign instead of Gharaz Maul because it went to the Chosen of Sigmar Valten;
Karl Franz is mentioned a not insignificant amount of times as "The Elector of Riekland" in White Dwarf, the Empire Army books and numerious other sources.
I dont care about the RPG i've never played, dont intend to... however when applicable it can be used and it will/has been used quite copiously but with due reverence to Warhammer Fantasy canon as it is.

Your arguement leads to an absurd conclusion by its nature;

If you give one city a wonder because of its nature/terrian/whatever, then by that token almost every city in the world should get a wonder because of its nature/terrain/whatever you cannot draw the line objectively and fairly where that division should happen and if you open that little cat out of the bag you are only going to end up with perverse outcomes by the very nature of the argument. It doesnt matter where you draw that line, you will end up drawing it, be that line drawn by time constraints, modding constraints or just a subjective judgement on your part. Since in this case im sure every arguement presented will have as fair, as logical and as equally reasonable outcomes with the rest of the arguements presented you will rather caught.


Exactly by that token all cities in Warhammer should have wonders being built in the bowl of a Meteoric crater created apparently the Ulric should make no difference.

Its not just the arguement itself thats flawed, its the means of applying that arguement and logical train of thought. Rocklikeafool summed it up nicely and in far fewer words this part of the arguement, "Build stuff for all of em. Or for none of em." He's entirely right there would be a saturation point at which interest fades.

Heres some examples of cities deserving equal attention for something spectacular, these are confined to the Empire (since im sure given the time PL could come up with a million for the WE etc et al)

Lets also not forget that Altdorf has the all the Orders of Magic Buildings, the Imperial Palace itself, the Rieksguards Knights Head Quarters, the Palace of the Grand Theogonist of Sigmar.

Nuln has the Imperial Armoury the largest industrial plant in the world, the largest libary in the world, the bones of Magnus of Nuln Sigmars Chosen.

Herdig is in the Empire in the great forest, it is built on a crag and boasts fortifacations second only to Middenhiem.

Marienburg is the largest Port in the world, surronded by a giangantic swamp that is rather lethal and requires guides, has the largest markets in the known world and is probably the only working example of a formative democracy in the world.

And thats just the Empire, sure some of them might not be as "important" but given the partisanship and wonder inherant in the cities of Warhammer it would be impossible to judge what is deserving of inclusion and what is not.

Personally Rocklikeafools arguement is more elegant than mine, simplicty is in itself sometimes beautiful.

EDIT: The Moot is not worth much at all, it deserves to be piece of terrain which gives extra food and allows Halflings to be recruited as soldiers... otherwise no it doesnt deserve anything.

LOL. First off, thanks for your denigration of my contribution, it makes me feel special. Second, Your are mixing Wonders with Unique features. A Unique Feature is something that is non man-made....absorb that...a Wonder is something that is man-made. Wow. I cannot break it down much simpler than that. Once again...Unique Feature----->Not made by man (man=NONGOD)....Wonder----->made by man (okay once again...man=NONGOD).

Please, do not respond to my simple objections with rabid hatred.

p.s. of course I am using the same definition of Unique feature that you are, unless you have never heard of Fall From Heaven, or it's superior sequel Fall From Heaven 2
 
I fail to see how a legitimate critque can be misconstrued as hatred (if thats what your insinuating), at no time have i insulted your persons or other paticulars nor have i insulted your arguement just taken it to a logical conclusion and show the absurdity of it. I have gone no further than RLAF (officially now the abbrevaition of Rocklikeafool) or PL except in a more dedicated application.

I dont like FFH or FFH2 dont know why i dont, but yes ive played them.

As far as i can see Unique features and wonders are no different the names might be but the thinking, intent etc in using them is the same one might be created by the player the other is not, unless you count the conscience choice of the player to play that civ and reap those benefits.

Regardless your arguement still ends in absurdity, for exactly the same reasons how do you determine what warrents a unqiue feature and what does not?

As an honest assesment me and PL have argued much more fervantly than this in the context of these forums, it took me a great deal of time and a great deal of arguing to get the Rhyes idea accepted i argued for probably a month or so (and even then i required some help to get the point across) as well as getting many of the other ideas into something tangeable (the magic is purely his i had nothing to do with it).

The nature of arguement is such that you can attack my intellectual contributions and vice versa, the best thing we can with an idea is argue its pros and cons without this you would end up with a mod that had peoples ideas shoved every which way imaginable even when not suitable.

So if you think i have been unfair with the my arguement and its flawed in some manner then please rip a chunk out of it, i will apoligise if you have taken genuine offense from it but that was never the intent.
 
Thank you Masada.

Your acerbic reply takes the edge off my drunkeness (thats right it is almost 6pm) I give up. You are right, Unique Wonders are the same as Wonders, allow any CIV to create them. I will not criticize your obviously divine mandated rightnous (not Righteouness). At this point I could care less. Good luck in CO-CREATING this mod. You have succeeded in converting me once more into a
lurker. Goodbye ya'll.
 
Thank you Masada.

Your acerbic reply takes the edge off my drunkeness (thats right it is almost 6pm) I give up. You are right, Unique Wonders are the same as Wonders, allow any CIV to create them. I will not criticize your obviously divine mandated rightnous (not Righteouness). At this point I could care less. Good luck in CO-CREATING this mod. You have succeeded in converting me once more into a
lurker. Goodbye ya'll.

wow thats a bit of an over-reaction...
 
Notice he said he was drunk. Jus thought I'd point that out. That'd be why it's so strong. I have no problem with drinkin, by the way, and like myself to discuss like that when drunk. Jus sayin (and only sayin), that's why it was so strong.
 
I blame greenskin animosity as the core of that problem. Does the moot give out cream buns with the bloodbowl tech? It shouldnt suffer the food loss if owned by some civs who enjoy eating plump halflings lol (beastmen for example). Damn these unique features sound cool.
 
Undead eat? :lol:
 
Vampires drink... and ghouls are alive are they not?
 
but they would still consume the halflings, and the fact that they are technically alive is irrelivant, theyre still part of the undead army. besides, im sure zombies would like nibbling on a littel halfling brain. (and dont use cholesterol as an excuse)
 
Maybe a halfling cream bun contest. The losing halfling gets eaten by the audience, and the survivors go to the next round (they see tomorrow), then they play again. Thats prolly what I would do if I was an Ogre and needed a halftime show...

Howabouts Skavenblight as a unique feature? Owning it could set off low chance plagues (-1 pop, or +3 global unhealthy for your civ who owns it; +2 xp for newly built units if the civ is skaven) or something...
 
skavenblight has definately got potential, and i would seriously consider it if we got a good mechanic for it, triggering events for civs nearby where they get small plagues in their boarders would be cool. we could have skaven only options for such events that are benefitial.
 
exceeeeellent... (rubs paws together)...
 
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