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What stats were we thinking of for the infantry unit? Also, what is this fuss about the racial promotions?
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xmen510
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We haven't gotten to stating things out yet. you are welcome to give it a shot if you like. I am not sure what you mean about the Racial Promotions though. What fuss are we talking about?
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These are the stats I came up with for the infantry:
strength: 5
movement: 1
cost: 40
+10% City Attack
+25% vs. Melee Units
strength: 5
movement: 1
cost: 40
+10% City Attack
+25% vs. Melee Units
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I skimmed through this thread and found a discussion about racial promotions (ex: Elf- forest defense, forest movement, -something).
xmen510
Emperor
That sounds pretty good to me. Basically +1 Strength on up the line. I like it. We'll have to see what the others think.
xmen510
Emperor
Ah, yes. When you said "Fuss" I thought you meant some kind of disagreement.
Yes, we are thinking of having certain Bonus promotions available by Race. Also, perhaps certain Races will have certain Promotions right off the bat, such as:
When the Khazad build there Taining Grounds and then build an Axeman, it Would automatically have the Hills Defence I Promotion to represent the Khazad being better able in Mountainous and Hill Terrain. It isn't something finalized as yet, it is still up for discussion.
Yes, we are thinking of having certain Bonus promotions available by Race. Also, perhaps certain Races will have certain Promotions right off the bat, such as:
When the Khazad build there Taining Grounds and then build an Axeman, it Would automatically have the Hills Defence I Promotion to represent the Khazad being better able in Mountainous and Hill Terrain. It isn't something finalized as yet, it is still up for discussion.
xmen510
Emperor
I think we pretty much are. Did we decide to remove the fireship?
Also, are Orcs then going to be considered UU? If so, then all of Angbands units and most/all of Mordors will be UU. That doesn't bother me though. Orcs would be cheaper weaker units anyway. Or will they still be the same as men, but just use different looks, like Veritas(sp?)?
Also, are Orcs then going to be considered UU? If so, then all of Angbands units and most/all of Mordors will be UU. That doesn't bother me though. Orcs would be cheaper weaker units anyway. Or will they still be the same as men, but just use different looks, like Veritas(sp?)?
Berenthor
King
Fireship out, I will remove it from the list (thougth I already did 
). For the orcs, I would make them UU I think. I agree that Angband and Mordor have mostly UU units but for me that is not a problem if balanced correctly (which is doable).
). For the orcs, I would make them UU I think. I agree that Angband and Mordor have mostly UU units but for me that is not a problem if balanced correctly (which is doable).Berenthor
King
Some units which are still open for discussion from the first list:
- Berserker as normal unit or UU for shadow/evil civs?
- Marksman yes or no?
- Ballista as normal unit? I would say no, maybe as UU for Isengard although I think it is only in the movies
- Horse archers as normal units or as UU for Rohan?
- Chariots only as UU and not as normal unit right?
- Heavy cavalry neccessary or do we have enough mounted?
- The list of ships for all civs is not to long?
- Scoutship neccessary?
xmen510
Emperor
#1: Berserker: Normal for Shadow/Evil
#2: Marksman: Yes
#3: Ballista: UU for Isengard
#4: Horse Archers: UU for Rohan
#5: Chariots: UU for Easterlings
#6: Heavy Cavalry: Necessary or remove a Tech or Heavy Cavalry activates more Promotions and Perhaps upgrades to Mounted Units in the Way of Defense and Attack (Maybe +1 to each)
#7: List of Ships too long: Not sure, Perhaps some of the Techs can give upgrades.
#8 Scoutship Necessary: I don't believe so
#2: Marksman: Yes
#3: Ballista: UU for Isengard
#4: Horse Archers: UU for Rohan
#5: Chariots: UU for Easterlings
#6: Heavy Cavalry: Necessary or remove a Tech or Heavy Cavalry activates more Promotions and Perhaps upgrades to Mounted Units in the Way of Defense and Attack (Maybe +1 to each)
#7: List of Ships too long: Not sure, Perhaps some of the Techs can give upgrades.
#8 Scoutship Necessary: I don't believe so
1) Berserker: evil only (not just shadow, everyone with evil alignment can build them, maybe we need a good equivalent? Immune to collateral or something?
2) Marksman: Yes
3) Ballista: UU for Isengard
4) Horse Archer: UU for Rohan (it is pretty damn hard to shoot a bow from a horse)
5) Chariots: UU for Easterlings (preferably in two variants as Berenthor suggested, with 1 horse and with 2)
6) Heavy Cavalry: drop the unit, we can have it as a promo (enabled by a tech). I don't want to go Mounted heavy, as it doesn't fit Arda (footsoldiers were a lot more common I think). This way we have three basic horse-units + mounted archer (and UUs for the horsemen-civs).
7) I can't think of anything to add (or do you want to take away?). I think the list is long enough. As xmen said, we can differentiate further with promotions.
8) Scoutship: I think we can drop it as I doubt it will see much use.
2) Marksman: Yes
3) Ballista: UU for Isengard
4) Horse Archer: UU for Rohan (it is pretty damn hard to shoot a bow from a horse)
5) Chariots: UU for Easterlings (preferably in two variants as Berenthor suggested, with 1 horse and with 2)
6) Heavy Cavalry: drop the unit, we can have it as a promo (enabled by a tech). I don't want to go Mounted heavy, as it doesn't fit Arda (footsoldiers were a lot more common I think). This way we have three basic horse-units + mounted archer (and UUs for the horsemen-civs).
7) I can't think of anything to add (or do you want to take away?). I think the list is long enough. As xmen said, we can differentiate further with promotions.
8) Scoutship: I think we can drop it as I doubt it will see much use.
Berenthor
King
I can agree on this, but then the berserker is not a normal (everybody can build it) unit anymore. Also, Ballista and horse archer will be removed from the normal units list and also the scoutship will be removed. Chariots also not a normal unit and also remove heavy cavalry.
xmen510
Emperor
Sounds good.
xmen510
Emperor
Certain Civs will be all UU as well. Angband & Mordor.
Berenthor
King
That sounds good. Makes civs more unique in my opinion which I really like. Updated the first post with all the suggestions (kept the UUs there with a reference that they are UU so we don't forget them).
xmen510
Emperor
This is looking more and more refined with every round. It looks good. I think we may nearing the point on deciding finalization or not.
Berenthor
King
Yeah I think so to. Than we can start putting stats on them and then the UUs can be filled in.
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