Unit Request: Aztek/Mesoamerican Swordsman

[ShiroKobbure]

yes I forgot to color his underpants like the cloth wrapped around his weist so he looks naked now. the aztects wore like a skirt sometimes so how about giving him a white skirt

 

[utahjazz7]

Well, the problem with that now is I modelled the top to fit a naked paperdoll. If I just added a skirt, the models would overlap, and that wouldn't be good.

 

[Master Kodama]

What in the WORLD is that freaky black and white photo? Why is there a naked guy with a cape and a funny crown-thingy? I don't know where you got that, but there's absolutely nothing there to make me think it's particularly historically accurate.

But yes, adding some more clothing would be best, though utah doesn't seem too keen in making any changes. Not that I can blame him, changes at this stage would probably annoying and difficult. But if folks had listened to my suggestions from the beginning... well, nevermind. The thing is that high-ranking (totemic) Aztec warriors were always fully covered. Regular ol' rank-and-file soldiers were not necessarily well covered, but if this fella were a lowly common soldier he wouldn't be wearing that nifty headdress. At any rate, I like the unit and I don't really mind the fact that he's not fully clad like most high-ranking warriors, but he still seems too naked.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

from this book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...104-9143708-1383957?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
its not an AZTEC warrior its a meso american warrior, and yes he should wear something to cover his wiest, I forgot to color that sorryBut as I have shown in all the links, not all aztecs warriors wear covered head to toe. Same with japan, high ranking samurai were covered, lower ranking just had chest and wiest protection.Also this is for ancient times the jarguar warrior wasnt around until 1500s which is why I make him a knight instead of a warrior. If you can cover his wiest with something like a cloth underwear if you understand me, like a blanket rapped in between the legs and around the wiest. But I think its fine now, and you shouldnt have to put more work because I forgot something sorry...

 

[utahjazz7]

Well, the underwear is out. Here's the thing. I made the unit because I liked to way the concept drawing looked. So, I want my unit to look like the concept drawing. Sorry.

Anyway, there is something that I can do for you. I played around with adding a feather-like texture to the eagle cape-thing. And . . . it seems like it looks pretty good, even at civ-scale. So, that will be in the final unit, as requested.

I've animated everything except for the death animation. So, I should be able to finish this unit this weekend, I hope. No promises though.

 

[ShiroKobbure]

^ ^ great, I really like this unit thank you utah!!!!
sorry everyone for my mistake in my art >,.<

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

I think that the unit is fine as you initually presented it Utah.

 

[Master Kodama]

its not an AZTEC warrior its a meso american warrior, and yes he should wear something to cover his wiest, I forgot to color that sorryBut as I have shown in all the links, not all aztecs warriors wear covered head to toe. Same with japan, high ranking samurai were covered, lower ranking just had chest and wiest protection.Also this is for ancient times the jarguar warrior wasnt around until 1500s which is why I make him a knight instead of a warrior. If you can cover his wiest with something like a cloth underwear if you understand me, like a blanket rapped in between the legs and around the wiest. But I think its fine now, and you shouldnt have to put more work because I forgot something sorry...

Well, Shiro, the thread topic does say Aztec (as well as Mesoamerican), and since its been defined by that group I'm inevitably going to look to the Aztecs for reference. And yes, Aztec soldiers did not all go fully clad, that's what I just said in my last post. But those who didn't have long sleeves and leggings probably also wouldn't be wearing totemic headdresses (like the one this unit has), since those were the halmarks of high ranking warriors who DID wear full covering, or so I'm led to believe. I was merely pointing out the incongruency; it's not that important, considering this is a purely hypothetical unit, and looks good as is.

As for making the jaguar warrior replace the knight, I used to do the same thing, since having them as warrior replacements seriously underestimates their fighting prowess. It makes sense until you consider the fact that the Aztecs employed jaguar warriors before they knew about Iron Working. Knights come in the Middle Ages, after Iron Working, so there's some historical inconsistency. In my personal epic game mod, I have jaguar warriors come with an optional tech after Monarchy, that way you can have them even if you haven't researched Iron Working, or even Bronze Working, but still not too early on. Sure, jaguar warriors were around in the 1500s, but that doesn't mean much. The Zulu didn't employ Impis until I think the 19th century, but they wouldn't make sense as rifleman replacements. IMO, you have to consider the level of technology before the time of appearance in real world history.

To get back to the discussion of what this much anticipated unit should be called, Shiro suggested "Great Knife Eagle," which would be "Hueitecpacuauhtli." Since that seems a bit long, I'd say snip the "great" and call it the "Tecpacuauhtli" or "Eagle Knife" -- which, I might add, is an Aztec name; if folks want a Mayan name I'll have to get back to you on it later.

 

[utahjazz7]

That name will have to do because I'm ready to release the unit; thanks for the tip. Tecpacuauhtli.

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

fantastic...I like the name you choose Utah. Thankyou so much for making this unit...you are a very nice person.