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Discussion in 'Civ4 - World 2009 Mod' started by NikNaks, May 22, 2008.

  1. NikNaks

    NikNaks Chieftain

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    Land Units:
    Modern Armor
    AFV

    New Class, default mechanized infantry, but now counts as armor, not gunpowder
    Jet Fighter
    Stealth Bomber
    Marine
    Anti-Tank
    SAM
    Paratrooper
    Conscripted Soldiers

    Air Units:
    Gunship

    Sea Units:
    Carrier:
    Big and small maybe
    Attack Sub:
    Nuclear sub: Carries missiles
    Destroyer: Air defence; can see subs
    Frigates: Anti sub; could be merged with destroyer

    Other Miscellaneous Units:
     
  2. NikNaks

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    Air Units
    5th Generation Jet Fighter:
    - F-35 Lighting II\JCA (US\UK\Italy) (In low level production)
    - F-22 Raptor (US) (Only 5th generation in service)

    4.5th Generation Jet Fighter
    - Eurofighter Typhoon (UK\Germany\Spain\Italy)
    - F/A-18E/F Super Hornet (US)
    - F-16 Block 50/52 and later models (US)
    - Chengdu J-10 (PRC)

    4th Generation Jet Fighter

    - Panavia Tornado (UK\Germany\Italy)
    - JF-17 Thunder (PRC\Pakistan)
    - Sukhoi Su-27 (USSR)
    - Mikoyan MiG-31 (USSR)
    - Dassault Mirage 2000 (France)
    - F-16 Fighting Falcon
    - F/A-18 Hornet (US)

    3rd Generation Jet Fighter
    Most likely the most basic types to be seen in the game seen mainly in African countries, they should be non buildable starting units to reflect the fact none of the countries with the capability to build them no longer do so
    - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-21MF/bis 'Fishbed' (USSR)
    - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-23 'Flogger' (USSR)
    - Sukhoi Su-17 'Fitter' (USSR)
    - F4 Phantom II (US)
    - Northrop F-5 (US)

    Stealth Bomber
    - B-2 Spirit (US) - ONLY Stealth Bomber in service and with no non US designs even in development, stealth bomber should be a US UU.

    Strategic Bombers
    - Tupolev Tu-22M (USSR)
    - B-52 Stratofortress(US)
    - Tupolev Tu-95\Tupolev Tu-142 (USSR)
    - General Dynamics F-111 (US)
    - Tupolev Tu-160 (USSR\Russian Federation)

    Helicopter Gunship
    - AH-64 Apache (US)
    - Westland WAH-64 Apache (UK)
    - Eurocopter Tiger (Germany\Austria\French\Spain)
    - Kamov Ka-50 (USSR)
    - AH-1 Cobra (US)
    - Mil Mi-24 (USSR)
    - Mil Mi-28 (USSR)

    Air Transport Vessel

    - Lockheed C-130 Hercules (US) (medium range & 2 unit airlift)
    - Airbus A400M (EU) (medium range & 3 unit airlift)
    - C-17 Globemaster III (US) (Medium Range & 3 Unit Airlift)
    - Lockheed C-5 Galaxy (US) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)
    - Antonov An-124 (USSR) (Long Range & 4 unit airlift)
     
  3. NikNaks

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    Naval Units

    SSN - Attack Submarine (Nuclear-Powered)
    Some of the most modern ones can carry Cruise Missiles for land attack.
    Spoiler :
    UK
    • Astute class submarine (UK) (UK) (first boat in commission 2009)
    • Trafalger Class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
    • Swifture class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
    US
    • Virginia class submarine (US) (US)
    • Seawolf class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
    • Los Angeles class submarine (US) (US) -non buildable starting unit
    Russia
    • Graney class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) (in service 2010)
    • Sierra I&II class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
    • Victor III class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
    France
    • Barracuda class submarine (France) (France) (first boat in commision 2016)
    • Rubis class submarine (France) (France) - non buildable starting unit
    China
    • Type 093 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
    • Type 091 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    Multiple Civs
    • Akula class submarine (USSR) (Russia\India) - non buildable starting unit
    SSBN - Ballistic Missile Submarine (Nuclear-Powered)Carries 6 SLMBM's

    Spoiler :
    UK
    • Vanguard class submarine (UK) (UK) - non buildable starting unit
    US
    • Ohio class submarine (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
    • Red October Class (USSR) (US) - non buildable starting unit :D :lol:
    Russia
    • Borei class submarine (Russian Federation) (Russia) - first commisioned 2008
    • Typhoon class submarine (USSR) (Russia) - non building starting unit
    • Delta III & IV classes (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
    France
    • Le Triomphant class submarine (France) (France)
    China
    • Type 094 submarine (PRC) (PRC)
    • Type 092 submarine (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    India
    • Advanced Technology Vessel (India) (India) - commisioned in 2012
    SS - Attack Submarine (Diesel-Electric Power)
    Some of the most modern classes can carry cruise missiles for land attack

    Spoiler :
    Europe
    • Germany
      • Type 212 submarine (Germany)
    • Italy
      • Sauro class submarine (Italy) (Italy) - non buildable starting unit
    • The Netherlands
      • Walrus class submarine (Netherlands) (Netherlands) - non buildable starting unit
    • Norway
      • Ula class submarine (Germany) (Norway - non buildable starting unit)
    • Poland
      • Kobben class submarine (Germany) (Poland) - non buildable starting unit
    • Portugal
      • Daphné class submarine (France) (Albacora class Portugal) -Non buildable starting unit
    • Russia
      • Lada class submarine (Russia) (Russia)
    • Spain
      • S-80 class Submarine (Spain\UK) (Spain) -in service 2011-2014
    • Sweden
      • Gotland class submarine (Germany) (Sweden) - non buildable starting unit
    • Multiple Nations
      • Type 206 submarine (Germany\Italy) (Germany\Italy)
    Asia
    • Iran
      • Nahang class submarine (Iran) (Iran)
      • Yugo class submarine (Iran) (Iran) - non buildable starting unit
    • Israel
      • Dolphin class submarine (Germany) (Israel) - non buildable starting unit
    • Japan
      • Harushio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
      • Oyashio class submarine (Japan) (Japan) - last boat commisioned in 2008
    • Taiwan
      • Tench class submarine (US) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
      • Hai Lung\ Zwaardvis class submarine (Netherlands) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
    Americas + Oceania
    • Australia
      • Collins class submarine (Australia) (Australia) - non buildable starting unit
    • Canada
      • Upholder\Victoria Class Submarine (UK) (Canada) - non buildable starting unit
    • Ecuador
      • Type 209: 1300 series (Germany) (Ecuador)
    Inter-continental
    • Kilo class submarine (USSR\Russia) (Russia\Algeria\PRC\India\Indonesia (arriving 09)\Iran\Poland\Romania) - non buildable starting unit
    • Romeo class submarine (USSR) (Russia\PRC\Bulgaria\China\Syria\Egypt\ Nrth Korea) - non buildable starting unit
    • Foxtrot Class (USSR) (India\Ukraine)
    • Type 214 submarine (Germany) (South Korea\Greece (due to commision soon)\Turkey)
    • Type 209 submarine (all sub classes produced by Germany)
      • 1500 (Brazil\India\Portugal (in service 2009))
      • 1400 (Brazil\Chile\South Africa\Turkey)
      • 1200 (Colombia\Greece\Indonesia\South Korea\Peru\Turkey\Venezula)
      • 1100 (Argentina\Peru\Greece)
      • Södermanland\Västergötland class submarine (Sweden\Singapore) - non buildable unit
    • Scorpène class submarine (France\Spain\under licence in India) (Chile\India\Malaysia)
    • Agosta 90B class submarine (France) (Spain\Pakistan) - non buildable starting unit
    Cruisers

    Spoiler :
    Peru
    • De Zeven Provinciën class cruiser (Netherlands) (Peru) - non buildable starting unit
    US
    • Ticonderoga class Missile cruiser (US) (US) - non buildable starting unit
    France
    • Jeanne d'Arc (R 97) helicopter cruiser (France) (France) - non buildable starting unit
    Russia
    • Kirov class battlecruiser (USSR) (Russian Federation) - non buildable starting unit
    Destroyers

    Spoiler :
    UK
    • Type 45 Destroyer (UK) (UK)
    Canada
    • Iroquois class destroyer (Canada) (Canada) - non buildable starting unit
    Russia
    • Udaloy class destroyer (USSR) (Russia)
    • Kara class cruiser (USSR) (Russia) - comparable to a DD in strength - non buildable starting unit
    • Kashin class destroyer (USSR) (Russia) - non buildable starting unit
    • Sovremenny class destroyer (USSR\Russian Federation) (Russia\PRC)
    India
    • Kolkata class destroyer (India) (India) - first ship enters service 2010
    • Delhi class destroyer (India) (India) - non buildable starting unit
    • Rajput class destroyer (Russia) (India) - non buildable starting unit
    China
    • Type 051C destroyer (PRC) (PRC)
    • Type 052C destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    • Type 052B destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    • Type 051B destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    • Type 052 destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    • Type 051 destroyer (PRC) (PRC) - non buildable starting unit
    France + Italy
    • Horizon class frigate (France\Italy) (France\Italy) - comparable size and power to DD -non buildable starting unit
    • Tourville class frigate (France) (France) - comparable size and power to DD -non buildable starting unit
    • Durand de la Penne class destroyer (Italy) (Italy) - non buildable starting unit
    Mexico
    • Gearing class destroyer (US) (Mexico) - non buildable starting unit
    • Edsall-class destroyer escort (US) (Mexico) - non buildable starting unit
    Japan
    • Atago class destroyer (Japan) (Japan)
    • Takanami class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    • Murasame class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    • Kongō class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    • Asagiri class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    • Hatakaze class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    • Hatsuyuki class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    • Shirane class destroyer (Japan) (Japan) - non buildable starting unit
    South Korea
    • Gwanggaeto the Great class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea) - non buildable starting unit
    • Chungmugong Yi Sun-sin class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea)
    • King Sejong the Great class destroyer (South Korea) (South Korea) - first ship commisioned 2008
    US
    • Arleigh Burke class destroyer (US) (US)
    • Zumwalt class destroyer (US) (US) -first and only 2 units laid down in 2008
    Taiwan
    • - Kidd class destroyer (US) (Taiwan) - non buildable starting unit
    Multiple Civs
    • Type 42 Destroyer (UK) (UK\Argentina) - non buildable starting unit
    • MEKO 360 (Germany) (Argentina\Nigeria) - non buildable starting unit
     
  4. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Just a thought, how about having normal foot soliders as well?

    Sea Units, Carrier (BIg and small maybe), Attack Sub, Nuclear sub (carries missiles), Destroyer (air defence and see subs, but not a bonus against them) , Frigates (anti sub, could be merged with destroyer)

    Transport Helicopters could be an option.

    Also are you doing unquie units for certain civs, i got a list of equipment for the UK and some of the US's and Russia and bits of other nations (i am currently trying to make a cold war mod from 1945 to now so our mods clash a bit :))
     
  5. NikNaks

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    I think the marines are the normal foot soldiers as it stands, but I have added your sea unit suggestions. As for unique info, we'd be very interested in it :)
     
  6. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    I will try and get all the relevant stuff from my files, hopefully i will post it by tomorrow

    also just checking but it's all the equipment in operation today or soon to be operational? :)

    I meant like consrcipted armies since they generally are much poorer than normal army trained personal (I should have been clearer)
     
  7. NikNaks

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    Both today and future equipment would be great. It might be a bit tedious to have a mod that only spans a year in total ;)

    As for conscripted soldiers, do you have an example?

    P.S. A bit OT, but did you watch the match last night?
     
  8. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Would be a bit tedious!

    Like Irsael can consricpt during war (not the best example, as their consrcipted arny is well trained) or Germany, who have 9 months mandorary consrciption (except if they go to university i think) and other third world countrys consrcipt to boost their armys. There is a decent list of countries who consrcipt in wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_service#Summary_of_countries))

    My thinking is that these soliders would not be effective as marines in combat and therefore shouldn't be given the same stats as Marines, who in most armies are often the most well trained troops (except special forces)
    Of course from a modding point of view it might be a pain and not add much to the game.

    Yes, a bit harsh on Chelsea but you also kind of knew that Terry would miss, an English defender scoring the winning penalty, yeah like that was going to happen!
     
  9. NikNaks

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    Oh I see, I understand now. Kinda like National Service. Added to the OP.

    :lol: I know what you mean. Terry looked almost overconfident when he stepped up for that pen, too. Really unfortunate that he slipped, but that's the way it goes. To be honest, Chelsea should have won it before it even got to extra time.
     
  10. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Excatly like that! :) BTW I am in the process of making models of some modern units as well, so if you want some of them i would be happy to provide them to you. The only problem is is that i can't get them to be animated, they always appear odd when imported into the game with animations :sad:

    I think it was actually an even match Man U could have been 3 up by half time and Chelsea could have been 4-1 up by the end of normal time so penalties was probably the fairest outcome for the match,

    it was funny watching ITV because for once were not trying to be biased! :lol:
     
  11. Amogos

    Amogos P.R.A.S.C.O.

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    What about mercenaries? Are they going to be a part of this? (go World in Flames!)
     
  12. Joe Harker

    Joe Harker 1st in the Premiership!

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    Right here some of the info for the UK :) (got quite a lot of information to look through :sad:)

    Spoiler :

    UK
    Land Vehicles

    MBT Challenger 2 Current numbers 386 Fastest tank off road. Doesn't have as good as fire power as the Amercian M1 Abrams and the Leopard 2 due to a slightly inferior gun, however some Challenger 2's are being upgraded with the same guns as the two tanks mentioned.

    IFV: Warrior

    Carries 7 soldiers Current numbers 789

    Destroyers
    Type 42 Destroyers 9 in service (Exeter, Southampton, Liverpool, Nottingham, Manchester, Edinburgh, York and Gloucester)

    Primary use is to protect Aircraft Carriers from air attack (Falklands war being the prime example of this use)

    Type 45 Destroyers: One in service (HMS Daring, seven more planned to replace the ageing Type 42's

    Same roles as the type 42's just much better, they are designed to be stealthy (but they are ugly ships!)

    Frigates

    Type 22 4 in service in RN (Cumberland, Cornwall, Campbeltown and Chatham)

    Desgined to be Anti sub, however have been upgraded to be general purpose

    Type 23 13 in service in RN (Norfolk, Lancaster, Argyll, Marlborough, Iron Duke, Monmouth, Montrose, Westminister, Northumberland, Richmond, Somerset, Grafton, Sutherland, Kent, Portlands and St Albans)

    Again designed to hunt Soviet Subs, but upgraded to all forms of sea combat

    Attack Subs

    Trafalgar Class 7 active (Trafalgar, Turbulent, Tireless, Tobay, Trenchant, Talent and Triumph)

    Current attack subs of the Royal navy, were built intended to hunt Soviet Subs

    Astute Class (Being built, first in 2009)

    (Swifture Class has two ships left but not really worth a mention as they will soon be retired)

    Replacement of the Trafalgar Class

    Nuclear Missile carrier Subs ( for lack of a better name)

    Vanguard Class 4 active (Vanguard, Victorious, Vigilant and Vengeance)

    Carries Trident missiles, up to 128 warheads.

    Aircraft Carriers

    Invincible Class 2 active, (Illustrious and Ark Royal)

    Designed orginally with the Soviets in mind and Carried more ASW Helicopters, however after the Falklands war typically 9 Sea Harriers and 9 other aircraft can be on board.

    It can carry up to 20 aircraft of any kind (due to the Sea Harriers short run way requirement)

    Queen Elizabeth Class 2 planned Carries 50 aircraft of any kind (most likely the new American F35B)


    Will get more done later today :)
     
  13. kbrennan7654

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    what about transport helicopters, transport planes, and we should add alot more units
     
  14. SoI

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    I think that several types of cruise missiles should be included(nowadays the greatest threat for warships are surface skimming supersonic cruise missiles with either conventional or nuclear warheads, for example russian Sunburn missiles fly at speed of Mach 2 giving ship only 20-30 seconds to respond) as long as some several stages of their development(like undersonic and supersonic)



    Also, I can provide any needed information on Russian/Soviet and Post-Soviet States weaponry and suggest probable units...
     
  15. ianinsane

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    I guess I am a minority here but I don't see the sense in having too many slightly different unit types. It makes the game complicated and is no fun for me. That's just something for military masturbators... ;)
    Concerning cruise missiles I guess two types would be enough. One basic, very cheap, which could also be used by Barbarians. (Is it possible to produce 2 units per turn in a city? Because I see these basic missiles as so cheap that it would waste a lot of hammers in an advanced city if it can only produce one per turn) And one advanced with larger range. Large enough for North Korea to hit Alaska...
     
  16. SoI

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    I've just read the Armies thread and i realized that there was one unit i missed in BTS very much it was mobile tactical nuke land carrier. These units should be very costly cause they are more deadly than silo nukes( nobody knows from where they can strike)
     
  17. fahrenderfisch

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    Hi, hope you don't mind a newby posting some stuff...

    You really have awsome ideas!!!

    unfortunately I have only little time, otherwise I would've liked to join your team.

    Reason I'm responding here:
    1) Missiles:
    I like the Idea of Barbarians having low-cost Missiles, but I would not call them cruise-Missile, since I know no Terrorist-group or third world Country that has managed to build a "REAL" Cruise Missile. Think it's better to just call this group "missiles"
    that's how I'd like to do it in my mod, Maybe you like the Idea:
    -Man launched Missiles: no movement, can only be carried by soldiers, cheap
    -Sea Target Missiles, fast, direkt flying, bonus against ships.
    -(unguided) Missiles: wider air range, powerful, but high chance of being intercepted, low combat limit, collateral damage
    -Cruise Missiles: like we know them, but also wider air range
    Promotions for Missiles (can be given from Science Lab or similar in the Missile constructing City)
    -accuracy (lower combat and collateral demag limit ,or a new xml tag "accuracy" chance of hiting a square beside the target, but that would probably be a big hack in the SDK)
    -advanced range
    -improved warhead (cause collateral damage)
    (because of better rocket power it is eather able to fly wider or carry more load)
    -evasion Probability +15 (by default not set at 100% normal: 65, cruise: 85)
    (I think the building should give XP to the rocket, so that it can have ONE promotion, don't know yet how to make this possible)

    2) Today's Soldiers
    Are you going to change the Infantery System?
    I Think it should be adapted to our times!
    Since Camouflage is widely used and improved consantly (new invisible class). Or Drones are no future Imagination , they are in use and getting more and more important(either Promotion like the "fireball" in FFH Age of Ice or the "eye", OR creating Drone Units which can be carried by soldiers, or both combined).
    And the different Future Infantery Programs become more advanced and already show theire Power in Field-testings or are even partially in use.

    Got a system worked out, but not in english, but will translate it anyway since I want to look for help here.
     
  18. hevehoc

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    Whoa Jet Fighter as a land unit :confused:?

    any unique units?
     
  19. hevehoc

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    Shall we create a different thread for unique units or shall we post it here?
     
  20. sheep21

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    there is massive variance in the standard of infantry and there capabilities aswell as cost.

    it is more expensive\time consuming to train a soldier in the British Army compared to say the Afgan National Army.
    Perhaps we can represent this by longer build times\stronger combat odds for a well equipped infantry soldier vs short build times and weak combat odds for troops from 2nd n 3rd world militaries (8 turns vs 3 turns or the like as base rate)?

    This will relfect accurately the high expense of training and maintaining a modern and technologically advanced western style military in comparison to the relative inexpensive of poorly trained, mediocrely (is that a word?) equiped armies of many armed forces around the world.
     

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