Unoffical Civ VI poll. Vote for your 3 civs you would most like to see. Part VI : North/West Africa

[Liufeng]

Hello everyone, and welcome back to a new poll on the most wanted civs you wish to be included in the game, this time dedicated to a rather unknown continent (and I must say I even discovered potential impressive civs while doing the list). Remember, vote for your three most wanted, and important : if you don't know one of the civs on the list, go check it out, you might be surprised by what you discover !

Please enjoy, and you next week !

 

[Siptah]

Mali (Mansa Musa), Morocco (Moulay Ismail) and Dahomey (Houegbadja).

A bit tight geographically to have all 3, but I'd welcome it very much. Kanem-Bornu would have been my next choice. I‘m tired of Carthage focusing on the Punic Wars (and Dido wasn‘t an improvement) - now in the unlikely event we‘ll get a Magonid...

Dear Firaxis, you know you can‘t resist the Dahomey and their potential female UU.

 

[Greywulf]

Most definitely Mali.

I think Nigeria could make an interesting modern African civ. Nok civilization would also be interesting, but they occupied such a small area...Then again, they did have horse riding and smelted iron.

 

[Ryansinbela]

Most definitely Mali.

I think Nigeria could make an interesting modern African civ. Nok civilization would also be interesting, but they occupied such a small area...Then again, they did have horse riding and smelted iron.

But no leaders are known

 

[Uberfrog]

This is a difficult one, as it is a very large and diverse area that we really don’t have any Civ representing yet (unless you count Egypt or Nubia).

Mali is an absolute must and deserves to be a series staple (or at least a cycling slot with Songhai). A unique architectural style, musical and academic culture and one of the wealthiest trading empires of the Middle Ages. Civ VI’s leader roster is crying out for Mansa Musa!

Carthage is a series staple and a nice naval adversary for Rome.

Morocco is my favoured way of incorporating the Berbers into Civ VI, particularly as one of the Berber Caliphates – either the Almohads or Almoravids as a contrast to the Saadi dynasty featured in Civ V BNW.

I wish I had another option to spend on Benin, and then I’d be more or less happy with North and West Africa !

 

[Ryansinbela]

Northern/West African leader ideas
Osei Tutu of Ashanti
Ewuare of Benin
Dihya of the Berbers
Hannibal of Carthage
Agaja of Dahomey
Kwame Nkrumah of Ghana
Amina of the Hausa
Idris Alooma of Kanem Bornu
Mansa Musa of Mali
Ismail ibn Sharif of Morocco
Yennenga of Mossi
Masinissa of Numidia
Oranyan of Oyo
Askia of Songhai
Ndiadiane Ndiaye of the Wolof

 

[Greywulf]

But no leaders are known

This is true. They could do something similar to what they did with Australia (and "similar" doesn't feel like the right word here), with having a Nigerian civ, but basing the early culture on Nok civilization...Which I think makes sense anyway. This way they would have a Nigerian leader, but have some element of Nok culture, such as some early UX.

 

[Phrozen]

This is true. They could do something similar to what they did with Australia (and "similar" doesn't feel like the right word here), with having a Nigerian civ, but basing the early culture on Nok civilization...Which I think makes sense anyway. This way they would have a Nigerian leader, but have some element of Nok culture, such as some early UX.

I think you mean similar as to what they did with Ethiopia in Civ V in which it was based on modern Ethiopia but had an Axumite stele as a UB.

 

[Zaarin]

Berbers, Carthage, Hausa. I just narrowly avoided voting for either Morocco or Numidia in place of the Hausa. I may be more interested in North Africa than West.

 

[Plymouth]

I voted for Carthage, Mali, and Morocco. Here's why.

Carthage is a must for me. It's a perennial civilization in the series since CIV2, and does not deserve to lose that spot now or ever. The Carthaginians were the predominant empire of the classical era, and pretty much the only Africa-based empire to control the Mediterranean. Dido as the leader, please. I think I'll be seeing this one soon and I honestly am having a hard time waiting.

Morocco is not a must-have, but I think it could spice up the Mediterranean a lot and I'd like to have it back. I've heard some support for pirate queen Sayyida al Hurra as VI's Moroccan leader, and I wholeheartedly agree. Fully unique Kasbah district could be fun? (If not, Renaissance wall replacement?)

Mali is my third choice. I don't have anything very special to say about them, but they do truly deserve to be in the game. Mansa Musa would be my preferred leader.

Shoutout to Numidia, my honorable mention. There's just not enough specific about them to make their inclusion worthwhile.

 

[Zaarin]

Renaissance wall replacement

That was such a popular choice for Tamar, why not do it again?

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

This was the easiest choice for me.
Mali with Mansa Musa
Carthage with Hannibal
Benin with Idia

 

[Kimiimaro]

Ah, a region I'm more familiar with. I didn't have to think much about my choices...

Carthage - A rival of Rome, but also a naval and trade superpower of Mediterranean. Definitely deserves to return so I can wreck Rome with Hannibal's mighty war elephants
Mali - Mansa Musa is a good reason enough
Morocco - A pleasant addition to Civ V (their war theme is great, I don't care how much is it hated for the singing ). I definitely wouldn't mind it's return. There are many possibilites of how to depict them. Almoravids, Almohads... I wouldn't even mind the return of Ahmad al-Mansur.

P.S. When I noticed Nok is one of the choices, I immediately remembered gnocchi. However, it's not that random memory - gnocchi are known as noky (in plurar, one nok is singular) in Czech

 

[GT_OKEZ]

Overall I'd love to see the Ottoman Empire, Byzantine Empire, and Austria ( Austria-Hungary). Though the area around Greece is already crowded ( 2 Greek Civs and Macedon) Constantinople/Istanbul would add two more Civs to the same area. The three empires I mentioned have had a huge impact on history and I don't see how they can be omitted. All 3 were in Civ 5 and Byzantium has a pedigree back to Civ III.

In Asia/Middle East I'd love to see a Jewish themed civ either Israel or Khazaria. I imagine Firaxis avoids it because of political backlash.

For Africa I'd like to see the return of Mali ( Mansa Musa). Also the return of Songhai would be cool too. And then maybe a Civ6 version of Carthage,Morocco, and South Africa..

For North and South America the native Civs in Civ5 and Civ4 were good. I'd like to see a return of Sitting Bull. Add in there Inca, Maya, Shoshone, Iroquois, and Canada.

 

[Zaarin]

For North and South America the native Civs in Civ5 and Civ4 were good. I'd like to see a return of Sitting Bull.

 

[awesome]

Civ 4's Native American civ was terrible.

 

[Greywulf]

Civ 4's Native American civ was terrible.

Well I think the concept was interesting, being a blob civ, but that only really makes sense when all the civs are blob civs (Polynesia, the Celts, etc...). At the same time, having the Native American civ as a blob civ was a political move. When they go for specific Native American civs, like the Pueblo, they get trouble for doing so, so it's understandable as well. Ideally we want to have individual cultures represented, but things aren't always ideal.

 

[Uberfrog]

Well I think the concept was interesting, being a blob civ, but that only really makes sense when all the civs are blob civs (Polynesia, the Celts, etc...). At the same time, having the Native American civ as a blob civ was a political move. When they go for specific Native American civs, like the Pueblo, they get trouble for doing so, so it's understandable as well. Ideally we want to have individual cultures represented, but things aren't always ideal.

Well, the Pueblo raised their objections during the development of Brave New World, and specifically objected to the depiction of Popé as a leader. I can't remember any objections from the Iroquois when Hiawatha was included in Civs III and V, nor from the Sioux when Sitting Bull was featured in Civ II.

Civ IV was the only game that featured a generic "Native American" civ, and I don't think there's any basis that this decision was to avoid trouble, since none of the trouble had happened yet. The fact they returned to more specific cultures in Civ V, and now Rise & Fall, suggests to me that Firaxis realised such a generalised depiction was not satisfactory. Besides, the objections of the Pueblo did not stop them replacing them with the Shoshone, nor did it stop them from introducing the Cree now, even if that did produce another controversy.

Blob civs are to an extent perhaps inevitable, given players' expectations for Greece, or India, but I'm glad that the trend has continued away from them thus far in Civ VI (separating Greece and Macedon, and having Scotland instead of "The Celts"). But not all blobs are equal."Native American" is as absurd a blob as "Native European" – there is no unifying culture, language or history there at all.

 

[Zaarin]

Well I think the concept was interesting, being a blob civ, but that only really makes sense when all the civs are blob civs (Polynesia, the Celts, etc...).

And blob civs only even vaguely make sense when all members of the blob are demonstrably culturally and linguistically related. A "Native American" civ makes about as much sense on that front as an "East Asia" civ comprising China, Mongolia, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, Indonesia, Thailand, Khmer, Burma, Laos, Tibet, Nepal, the Uyghur, the Manchu, the Tocharians, Samarkand, Sogdia, etc. The Celts and Polynesians were bad enough, but at least they were comprised of people that were culturally and linguistically related to each other.

But not all blobs are equal."Native American" is as absurd a blob as "Native European" – there is no unifying culture, language or history there at all.

Even a "European" blob wouldn't have been as bad. Most of Europe speaks Indo-European languages (except the Basque, Hungarians, and Finns), and most of Europe west of the Mainz can trace its cultural roots back to Rome + Germanic tribes (Ireland and Scotland being the major exceptions here, but they received that influence indirectly after being conquered by England), while most of Europe east of the Mainz has its roots either in Byzantium or Slavic culture, with a dash of Turkic conquest. So a European blob civ would still have been more homogeneous than Civ4's abominable "Native American" blob. (And no, I'm absolutely not advocating for a European blob civ.)

 

[GT_OKEZ]

Civ 4's Native American civ was terrible.

In what way? I agree with Greywulf that the concept of Sitting Bull was good although the execution was ...lacking. SB had really powerful archers and was a protective leader. That means his defense was pretty good and I think well executed Defensive Civs are great in concept. In VI they tried to do this with Georgia and I think the general consensus is that Georgia is mediocre at best ( terrible at worst).

I think they went with generic 'Native American' mostly out of political correctness. I'd love to see more NA specific Civs and they played around with that in V.