Unoffical Civ VI poll. Vote for your 3 civs you would most like to see. Part X : Islands

[Liufeng]

Hello everyone, and welcome back to the new poll devoted this time in the native insular civilizations, mainly in the Caribbean and the Pacific. I'm terribly sorry for the delay, but I had some issues I had to take care with priority.
Only one poll left after this one, and I hope everyone could expand their horizons, find new informations, develop their general culture, while having fun !

Please enjoy, and see you next week !

 

[Gedemo]

It's hard to make a choice! so many different flavours! I voted for an 1 aboriginal civ because it would be totally new. 2 Tu'i Tonga was a real ancient kingdom. and 3 Rapanui has a so obvious unique improvement with the Moai.

Honorable: maori, papua and taino.

I've made modded civs with some of these: Papua, Vanuatu, Tahiti, Noongar, Mu'a (tonga) and Lelluh (micronesia). I hope this area will not be forgotten by firaxis.

 

[Uberfrog]

This is a difficult decision. I will be very disappointed if Civ VI is finished without a Polynesian civ. I would like for them to avoid the blob, and any one of Hawai'i, Maori, or Tonga would be an excellent choice. Since we had Kamehameha in the last game, I went with Maori and Tonga, although there's no way we'll see more than one.

Lastly I picked the Taíno, the predominant native civ of the Caribbean.

I would like to see a native Australian civ, but wouldn't like a blob. A specific tribe would be good, but I think there would be a struggle picking leaders and cities for them. I would be happy to be corrected on this, though.

 

[Alexander's Hetaroi]

Really interested in getting a Polynesian Civ for the game so I went with Samoa, Maori, and Hawaii. The Tonga would be nice too. Any one of these would do in my opinion.

 

[Kimiimaro]

My choices are Maori, Hawaii and Tonga.

 

[Ryansinbela]

Island leader Ideas
Jandamarra, Windradyne, Wonggo, Gambu Ganuuru, William Barak, Pemulwuy And Yagan of the Aborigines
Anacaona of the Arawak/Taino
Kairouane of the Caribs
Cakobau of Fiji
Kamehameha of Hawaii
Hono Heke is the Maori
Isokelekel of Micronesia
Hotu Matua of Raps Nui
Salamasina of Samoa
Purea of Tahiti
Aho’eitu of Tonga
Roy Maya of Vanuatu

 

[Zaarin]

I consider the islands a pretty low priority, but I voted for the Māori. So many Civ staples and deserving newcomers from other regions are lacking at present with such limited slots to provide them assuming no future DLC that I'd be okay with no Polynesian/Melanesian/Papuan/Caribbean civs this time around.

 

[Greywulf]

Oh, definitely Tonga if there is only to be one Polynesian civ. If we get a couple, which I think is unlikely, then Hawaii and the Maori as separate civs would cover different sides of Polynesian culture. Just one civ...the very impressive Tonga Empire!

 

[TahamiTsunami]

It would be quite the surprise if we officially got 3 or more civs from this list, but I'll vote for 3 regardless since its fun to do.

If we only get one Polynesian civ then my first choice would be for the Maori. It would be cool to see their face tattoos in game and they have a few good leader choices.

The Tonga would be another great new choice considering the amount of influence and power that their leaders had.

My third vote went to Hawaii because I wouldn't mind seeing Kamehameha the Great again.

Honorable Mentions:

The Aborigenes would be fun but it seems a bit unlikely.

I also wouldn't mind seeing the Taino, Samoa, Rapanui, and Fiji since they have some intriguing leader choices.

 

[awesome]

I voted for Maori and Caribs, mainly because I think they'd both be cooler than any other possibilities on the list and I don't think we'll get more than 2 civilizations from this list, if any.
Maori warriors (mere warrior? matā kai kutu?) would obviously have the face tattoos and haka dance and all of that, and i think it'd be cool for the Caribs to have a war canoe.

I didn't vote for Tonga because, even though they had an actual empire, I feel like they'd just be another trader civilization.

 

[Patine]

I voted for the Haida as an other. I would also like to say that the Australian Aborigines should NOT be considered an island culture - they solidly occupied a continent (even if the smallest one, geographically speaking) and had no seafaring tradition or technology to speak of. The Tasmanian and Mainland Australian Aborigines were completely unable to have any congress with each other at all because of a narrow strait, to put forward my point here.

 

[Uberfrog]

I voted for the Haida as an other. I would also like to say that the Australian Aborigines should NOT be considered an island culture - they solidly occupied a continent (even if the smallest one, geographically speaking) and had no seafaring tradition or technology to speak of. The Tasmanian and Mainland Australian Aborigines were completely unable to have any congress with each other at all because of a narrow strait, to put forward my point here.

I believe the Haida were counted in the Native North America poll a couple of weeks ago.

And of course you're right about the Aborigines, but this poll appears to be serving natives of the Caribbean and Oceania in general, rather than the perhaps misleading title of "Islands".

 

[Patine]

I believe the Haida were counted in the Native North America poll a couple of weeks ago.

And of course you're right about the Aborigines, but this poll appears to be serving natives of the Caribbean and Oceania in general, rather than the perhaps misleading title of "Islands".

I hate to be pedantic, but geographically, Australia's not actually part of Oceania either - by proper geographers' official reckoning (the one where Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, and Greenland are all geographically part of North America, not just Canada and the U.S., and the Middle East except Egypt, East Thrace, and Istanbul, is part of Asia - and also called Southwest Asia - and other "official" geographical placements that throw many people for a loop). But, that being said, I see the spirit of your point, and I must have not noticed the Native North America poll (which should be expanded in scope by my point above ) earlier.

 

[Patine]

I hate to be pedantic, but geographically, Australia's not actually part of Oceania either - by proper geographers' official reckoning (the one where Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, and Greenland are all geographically part of North America, not just Canada and the U.S., and the Middle East except Egypt, East Thrace, and Istanbul, is part of Asia - and also called Southwest Asia - and other "official" geographical placements that throw many people for a loop). But, that being said, I see the spirit of your point, and I must have not noticed the Native North America poll (which should be expanded in scope by my point above ) earlier.

I think that last post came out a bit wrong. I'm not trying to start a fight. It's almost 3:00 AM here, and judging by the content of my posts, time to go to bed. I apologize for anyone who felt I was trying to make trouble or spark a fight.

 

[Uberfrog]

I hate to be pedantic, but geographically, Australia's not actually part of Oceania either - by proper geographers' official reckoning (the one where Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, and Greenland are all geographically part of North America, not just Canada and the U.S., and the Middle East except Egypt, East Thrace, and Istanbul, is part of Asia - and also called Southwest Asia - and other "official" geographical placements that throw many people for a loop). But, that being said, I see the spirit of your point, and I must have not noticed the Native North America poll (which should be expanded in scope by my point above ) earlier.

I think that last post came out a bit wrong. I'm not trying to start a fight. It's almost 3:00 AM here, and judging by the content of my posts, time to go to bed. I apologize for anyone who felt I was trying to make trouble or spark a fight.

No worries, I know exactly what you mean, and I agree. For what it's worth I'm personally in the "Oceania isn't a real continent anyway" camp...

 

[Zaarin]

I hate to be pedantic, but geographically, Australia's not actually part of Oceania either - by proper geographers' official reckoning (the one where Mexico, Central America, the Caribbean, Bermuda, St. Pierre and Miquelon, and Greenland are all geographically part of North America, not just Canada and the U.S., and the Middle East except Egypt, East Thrace, and Istanbul, is part of Asia - and also called Southwest Asia - and other "official" geographical placements that throw many people for a loop). But, that being said, I see the spirit of your point, and I must have not noticed the Native North America poll (which should be expanded in scope by my point above ) earlier.

When it comes to discussing civilizations, though, I think cultural geography is far more useful than literal physical geography. Sure, Persia is Asia and Egypt is Africa, but Persia and Egypt have far more in common than Persia and Japan or Egypt and Ghana.

As for the Australian Aborigines, I think it's more of a question of where else do you include them? "Nowhere" is a perfectly satisfactory answer as far as I'm concerned--like the Inuit or Paleosiberians, they just didn't really have what Civilization regards as a civilization. But if they're going to be included in some poll, this is the one that makes most sense: they are distantly related to the Austronesian peoples, after all. Actually, I find including the Caribbean odder than including Australia--I probably would have included it in South America (geographically it's closer to Mesoamerica or North America, but culturally it clearly belonged to South America [there may have been Caribs in Florida, but we know too little about the indigenous people of Southern Florida to make any positive statements--but if there were they were colonists and the Caribbean people still obviously originated in South America]).

 

[Phrozen]

There are maps that don't put Mexico in North America?

 

[Zaarin]

There are maps that don't put Mexico in North America?

Probably not modern ones. While being Spanish-speaking definitely makes Mexico an outlier in North America versus English-speaking US and Canada, politically and obviously geographically it certainly belongs there. When speaking of indigenous cultures it's more complicated: northern Mexico has clear continuity with the Southwest and Texas, but the greater part of Mexico is clearly Mesoamerican rather than North American--so anthropologists often use the political US-Mexican border as a simple dividing line.

 

[Greywulf]

I voted for Maori and Caribs, mainly because I think they'd both be cooler than any other possibilities on the list and I don't think we'll get more than 2 civilizations from this list, if any.
Maori warriors (mere warrior? matā kai kutu?) would obviously have the face tattoos and haka dance and all of that, and i think it'd be cool for the Caribs to have a war canoe.

I didn't vote for Tonga because, even though they had an actual empire, I feel like they'd just be another trader civilization.

The Tonga Empire had a lot more to offer than just trade. That being said, are you looking for another militaristic civilization? Because that's exactly what you will get if they add the Maori. Personally, I would rather the Polynesian civ to be more culture focused.

 

[Patine]

The Tonga Empire had a lot more to offer than just trade. That being said, are you looking for another militaristic civilization? Because that's exactly what you will get if they add the Maori. Personally, I would rather the Polynesian civ to be more culture focused.

Pre-colonial Polynesian nations as "cultural civs" by Civ6 reckoning is a very modern, historiographical viewpoint. Historically, in truth, the Polynesians, while they had a lot of ceremony around their religions and monarchies (but didn't most civilizations back then, in truth?) were indeed VERY well known as fierce, frightening warriors, aggressive, fearless explorers, and very pushy, belligerent traders - a reputation almost akin to South Seas Vikings - and that was almost across the board except maybe the much latter-day Tahitians and Hawaiians.