UN's WHO interim director arrested fro having his predcessor murdered

[Lefty Scaevola]

Another big black eye for UN Bureacracy, assuming that you can trust any information comming out of Burundi.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=&u=/ap/20020221/ap_on_re_af/burundi_who_slaying_9

 

[amadeus]

Corruption...in the United Nations?

Say it ain't so!

This doesn't suprise me a bit. I hope the UN members will get a clue, pray for reform, and kick out Kooky Annan.

 

[FearlessLeader2]

Who would have thought it possible? The UN? A corrupt beuracracy? Wow...

 

[Hamlet]

I do wish you would stop dredging up these scandals for your own political agenda, it's so tiresome now, if you don't like The UN then just say so.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by Hamlet
I do wish you would stop dredging up these scandals for your own political agenda, it's so tiresome now, if you don't like The UN then just say so.

I don't like the UN. But to be fair, they created the scandal; we just relish in the tarnished reputation.
I mean, this thread hasn't even MENTIONED the UN workers who were trading refuge food for sexual favors. Murder & forced prostitution... whatever happened to good old beaucratic white collar crime?

 

[amadeus]

I'm really disappointed that Kocky Annan won't come out and condemn these kinds of things...he just sits there, as callous as he is, and ignores the problems of the United Nations (besides being a tool for the Arab League against the Jews.)

And Hamlet, I don't like the United Nations. Why should I?

They take money from the United States and use it to indirectly fund Communist North Korea's nuclear weapons program.

They take money from the United States and use it to build a forum for rampant, hypocritical anti-Americanism.

They have organized themselves to limit superpowers through the General Assembly and Security Council.

In terms of the Security Council and the permanent members, that's a relic of World War II. France is not a major power. Japan should replace them.

It wouldn't bother me if the General-Secretary of the United Nations was appointed by the U.S. President (if you don't like it, get out. Anything you can do from New York, you can do from Havana or Tehran), or if we were offered accurate representation for the funds that we give to the U.N., i.e., 25% power.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
I'm really disappointed that Kocky Annan won't come out and condemn these kinds of things.

To be fair, he did condemn them, right away. Kofi Annan is a good man, unfortunately his job is really a international popularity contest while trying to appease all sides. Bad things happen on good people's watches... Donald Rumsfeld should know that.

Originally posted by rmsharpe
It wouldn't bother me if the General-Secretary of the United Nations was appointed by the U.S. President (if you don't like it, get out. Anything you can do from New York, you can do from Havana or Tehran), or if we were offered accurate representation for the funds that we give to the U.N., i.e., 25% power.

That would defeat the original point of the UN: to have an 'equal' world forum for leaders to discuss their differences and grievences. It is only when it attempts to expand beyond that mission that the UN falters. The UN is not like the EU, it doesn't have real authority over the soverignity of nations (Special attention to REAL; there are countless examples of grey area).

By the way, who cares if the Arabs use it to whine about their grievences and the Commies use it to advance their prestige? There are many times in history where the UN has been a necessarity and perhaps prevented the continuation of wars or the opening of hostilities on countless occassions. It is an important institution when we need it.

 

[amadeus]

I just say that if they send diplomats to come over here and recieve a six-figure salary for complaining about America.

If the UN doesn't like America, then, get out.

 

[sgrig]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
I just say that if they send diplomats to come over here and recieve a six-figure salary for complaining about America.

If the UN doesn't like America, then, get out.

Well, if America doesn't like the UN, then, get out.

 

[DinoDoc]

Originally posted by Greadius
There are many times in history where the UN has been a necessarity and perhaps prevented the continuation of wars or the opening of hostilities on countless occassions.

Such as?

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by rmsharpe
They take money from the United States and use it to ... .
They take money from the United States and use it to ... .
... or if we were offered accurate representation for the funds that we give to the U.N., i.e., 25% power.

Since when does the USA pay it´s yearly fees regularly? The US has the highest debt to the UNO!!!
And it doesn´t pay 25% of all funds! Not even close.
The only nation that has regularly contributed to the UN and has NO debts is Germany. Maybe some other European nations have caught up now.
But definitely not the USA!

They have organized themselves to limit superpowers through the General Assembly and Security Council.

Seems like you don´t understand or even know your own history. The USA was the country to have founded the UN or better it´s predecessor. And it formed the UN to suit it´s needs.
I can´t recall the UN condemning the USA for invading Korea, Cuba or Vietnam. So don´t say they are working against you!

This is not meant as something anti-american, nor as pro-UN, just correcting some absolutely false statements.

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

The UN perform many very usefull functions, but all its efforts are made more difficult by the curruption such as that in the fuctional bodies like WHO. Perhaps a "decimation" would be slutory. Every ten years they must disband the one of their bodies or agencies that has been judged most corrupt.

 

[Lucky]

Nice idea!

But the real problem is MANKIND itself again.
The human nature doesn´t seem to include a way to only show and use the ´good´ features our mind is capable of. In a sense mankind doesn´t really exist, it´s just a ´everybody look for himself´ mentality. It is shame!
But the reason why so many great ideas are impracticable.
All religious teachings are based on the thought of a better human, communism (not a bad idea) cannot be used when dealing with groups of humans, even democracy is flawed and would work much better with a better human.
A single person can easily be ´good´ and intelligent but masses of people stay dumb and selfish! Unfortunately!

Btw, this isn´t the only scandal in the UN right now!
Have you heard about the excessive child abuse in Africa by development aid workers from various international help organization, some on behalf of the UN, other from the Red Cross, etc.?!
It really is a shame, but as written before, MANKIND is NOT ´good´!

 

[Maj]

What have you got against Annan anyhow? Do you really have any clue as to how the United Nations works or are you so wrapped up in combating any criticism made against your country and its government that you'll throw blanket statements to cover institutions as large as international organization and national governments?

There's such thing as too much of a good thing. Patriotism comes to mind.

If you really dislike the United Nations, learn more about it before launching attacks on something much larger than a few corrupt beaurocrats and staff.

 

[Greadius]

Originally posted by DinoDoc
Such as?

Well, it legitimized two large mobilization efforts in the Persian Gulf War and the Korean War, being the 'support director'. And its condemnation of the Six Day War convinced Israel to pull back after beating the pulp out of the Arab states. Many more examples, but most of them are minor conflicts.

Originally posted by Lucky
And it formed the UN to suit it´s needs.
I can´t recall the UN condemning the USA for invading Korea, Cuba or Vietnam.

The UN was formed as an egelatarian discussion forum... the U.S. is only one of the five most powerful countries in the structure.
And the UN SPONSERED the 'invasion' of Korea, the US hasn't invaded Cuba in 104 years, and the Vietnam quagmire wasn't condemned because of three members of the Security Council would have vetoed it.

 

[Lucky]

Yes, I know!

That was my point, there is and has been no real opposition against the USA in the UN!

 

[DancesWithGoats]

Originally posted by FearlessLeader2
Who would have thought it possible? The UN? A corrupt beuracracy? Wow...

Everyone in Africa is corrupt.......

 

[VoodooAce]

What's the point of this thread? So the UN is made up of human beings. What? This kind of thing doesn't happen at all levels of gov't in the US?? Doesn't this kind of thing happen everywhere? Its not good, but its not as though it were exclusive to the UN.

Originally posted by rmsharpe

They take money from the United States and use it to indirectly fund Communist North Korea's nuclear weapons program.

They take money from the United States and use it to build a forum for rampant, hypocritical anti-Americanism.

They have organized themselves to limit superpowers through the General Assembly and Security Council.

Come on, RM. I don't see it. Paranoia, the destroyer. Sheesh, man, we were instrumental in setting up the UN's system. Things were set up the way they are for a reason. One being that any one nation NOT ACHIEVE TOO MUCH POWER in the UN. Say the USSR, for instance? AND the US.

And please show a source that shows we contribute 25% of the UN's $$.

Originally posted by rmsharpe

It wouldn't bother me if the General-Secretary of the United Nations was appointed by the U.S. President (if you don't like it, get out.

No wonder everybody hates us. Too much.

You say the kind of things, RM, that if someone else said them that you disagree with, you get all up in arms, throwing around exclamation points. You need to learn to see things from points of view other than yours.

 

[amadeus]

Originally posted by VoodooAce
Come on, RM. I don't see it. Paranoia, the destroyer. Sheesh, man, we were instrumental in setting up the UN's system. Things were set up the way they are for a reason. One being that any one nation NOT ACHIEVE TOO MUCH POWER in the UN. Say the USSR, for instance? AND the US.

How could I have forgotten how much the Soviet Union used the United Nations?

The UN is a relic of the Cold War and post-World War II society.

You say the kind of things, RM, that if someone else said them that you disagree with, you get all up in arms, throwing around exclamation points. You need to learn to see things from points of view other than yours.

That's called a passionate debate.

 

[Sodapop]

Originally posted by DancesWithGoats


Everyone in Africa is corrupt.......

Woah! Do you realize what you're saying?

Here is an example : It's the same thing as saying that because 1 italian (let's say in mafia) killed 1 person, that every italian are cold blooded murderers. Don't generalize things.

Even if UN is no longer always useful, it saved the world a couple of times since WW2. With the USSR out, it's true that the UN are no longer useful, because there is no more a cold war.

But let's keep it, so if we have another cold war someday, maybe we might be able to live.