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  1. North King

    North King blech

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    Greetings, all.

    This is a thread for creating persistent posts related to my new, as yet untitled, project. It has been quite a while since I've used CFC, and for the most part, the this NES will functionally be off-forum (mostly in the NESer Discord and Google Docs). But the forum is useful for organizing notes chronologically in a way the other systems are not.

    What is this?
    In NESer parlance, it is a "fresh start" -- i.e. it is a game that takes place on a non-Earth planet that attempts to retell the story of human history. In this case, it begins in this world's equivalent of the late Pleistocene, the equivalent of 20,000 years BP, at the Last Glacial Maximum.

    Hi! This is interesting, can I participate?
    Yes! Mostly, things are being held on the NESer Discord. PM me or someone else (Iggy, Jehoshua, or Thlayli are good bets) for an invite (invitations to Discord are not persistent). This is not intended to exclude anyone who is more of a forum user -- I just want to keep orders, etc., in one place so I can see.

    You already have players and a pretty full map! Can I still join? Should I wait?
    The philosophy in Phase One (see the rules below) is generally closer to an NESlife than a conventional NES -- that is to say, most cultures will evolve or vanish every turn, and "ownership" of cultures is defined a little more loosely. So you are free to "evolve" from another player's culture, even if they are already doing it.

    Here follow the rules, indices, and the update log.

    Rules:
    In this Google Doc. More specific rules are going to be added over time.

    Indices:
    You can find stats here. Extant culture descriptions can be found there.
    You can find many maps in the public game folder.
    To minimize redundancy, I will not be reposting versions of (most of) these in the thread.

    Update Log:
    Phase One (Origins) - Turns are c. 2-5,000 years in length. Cultures are Upper Paleolithic in technology/culture.

    Update One ("The Song")
    Update Two (scheduled for c. March 14th)

    Current (update 1) map
     
  2. Jehoshua

    Jehoshua Catholic

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    Amatyaric Languages

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    The Amatyaric languages are generally SOV languages in structure, however, because Amatyar is a pro-drop language, the subject of a sentence is often not apparent until the end of the verb, at the end of a sentence. There are five noun cases (4 with a preposition or postposition).

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    Nom: Quyob yap tik (The book is good - literally "the book good is")

    Acc: Qob quyob sa naq'tl. (I read the book) [pos = sa]

    Dat: Qob po quyob jakesh'tl (I looked at the book) [pre = po]

    Loc: Qob jek quyob kthulch'tl (I wrote in the book) [pre = jek]

    Abl: Qob az quyob azqech'tl (I learned from the book) [pre = az]

    *noun "book" is from a classical amatyar language, much vocabulary from proto-amatyar is largely speculative thus a later subject is used as an example of the presumed language structure.

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    Additional examples

    Quyob-e ga'ak sanaq'tl (I read the new book) [note: drop of the subject pronoun, and that the article "sa" moves after the adjective ie the whole noun phrase.

    Jaqob quyob-e ga'ak sanaq (Jacob read the new book) [1st per singular "tl" is dropped]

    Jaqob aqai quyob-e ga'ak sanaq. (Jacob read the new book quickly) [adverb precedes noun phrase]

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    Preposition and postpositions in Amatyar

    ~ examples of these in Amatyar include

    Sa: the
    Po: at/to
    Jek: in
    az: from
    qeb: with
    Chik; like
    toq: until
    baq: on
    yub: for
    tek: without
    bal: under

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    Pronouns

    Amatyar, as noted before, is a null-subject or pro-drop language, so personal pronouns (e.g. 'I', 'he', 'she') are optional. Pronouns add (sa) when they are used as the object but otherwise stay the same. The first-person singular accusative form (Qobsa) 'me' can be shortened to Qobā.

    · 1st per - sin: qob - pl: qa

    · 2nd per - sin: Guq pl: Guchak

    · 3rd per singular - sin: Am (Amatyar) sin: Ob (human, non-amatyar), sin: An (non-human

    · 3rd per plural : Gaq/Anak (Amatyar) pl: Obek (human, non-amatyar), pl: Anhaq (non-human)




    Pluralisation

    Pluralisation in Amatyar differs depending on whether the subject is animate or inanimate.

    Amatyar = The People (yar = animate plural: Amat = person - note there is separate term for non Amatyar persons, Obok [ergo: Obokyar refers to non Amatyar nations])

    Quyoban = The books (an = inanimate plural, ).

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    Demonstrative pronouns

    aq = this, ik = that - these are pluralised as aqyar and ikyar for animate objects and aqan and ikan for inanimate objects (these and those),

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    Possession

    ~Possession is expressed by adding suffixes to nouns which can also be used as object pronouns. For the third person these are ambiguous as Amatyar is a genderless language. These have singular and plural variation

    · 1st Person singular: "Tl" (ex: Naq'tl = I read)

    · 1st Person Plural: "Tlan"

    · 2nd Person Singular: "Ts" (ex: Jaqob Naq'ts = Jacob read"

    · 2nd Person Plural: "Tsob"

    · 3rd Person singular: "Ash" (ex: Kuyobash = His/Her Book)

    · 3rd Person Plural: "Asheb".

    linkage between two objects is indicated by special grammatical particles. These are -qa or -be after vowels, or -a or -e after consonants. Adjectives typically follow the noun using this construct also with a suffix -tar for a comparative.

    ex: Jaqob-a Bataq (Jacob's brother)

    ex: Bataq-e oqui (Big Brother)

    ex: Chaq'ta-qa sa'akh (Chief's slave)

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    Verbs

    · Negative prefix: na, which changes to ne before the Imperfective prefix (ka)

    · Imperfective or durative prefix: ka

    · Subjunctive/Imperative prefix: be

    · Past suffix: d, which changes to t after unvoiced consonants

    · Personal suffix: e.g. -Tl 'I', -Ts 'you (sg.)' etc.

    · Object suffix: the most commonly used is -ash 'him/her/it'

    Person suffixes

    1st - sin: Tl - pl: Atl

    2nd - sin: ach - pl: ich

    3rd - sin: ek - pl: ekich

    Object Suffixes

    1st - sin: Tl - pl: Tlan

    2nd - sin: Ts - pl: tsob

    3rd - sin: Ash - pl: Asheb



    Tense

    Infinitive
    The infinitive ending is formed with "iq": ex: (naqiq) 'to read'.


    Past
    The past tense is formed by deleting the infinitive ending and adding the personal endings to the stem: ex (Naq'tl) I read - or (Naqtsob) they read.


    Imperfect
    The imperfect tense is made by taking the past tense as described above and prefixing it with (Ka-), thus (Kanaq'tl) 'I was reading', 'I used to read'. This tense can also have a conditional meaning: 'I would read', 'I would have read'.


    Perfect
    The perfect tense is formed by taking the stem of the verb, adding ه (e) to the end and then adding the different persons of the present tense of 'to be'. So (Naq) to read, in the perfect first person singular would be (naqe'tl 'I have read' and the 3rd person singular would (naqetash).


    Pluperfect
    The pluperfect tense is formed by taking the stem of the perfect, e.g (naqe), adding (buq), and finally adding the personal endings: ex: ( naqe buq'tl), 'I had read'. In the third person singular, buq is added (with no ending).


    Future
    The future tense is formed by taking the present tense form of (xaqtiq), to want, and conjugating it to the correct person; this verb in third person singular is (xaqash). Next, it is put in front of the shortened infinitive of the verb, e.g (naq), thus (xaqash naq) 'he/she/it will read'. For compound verbs, (xaqash) goes in between both words, and the second word of the compound is reduced to its stem. In the negative (xaqash) receives na- to make naxaqash naq 'he will not read'.


    Present
    The present is formed by taking the present stem of the verb, adding the prefix (ka-), and conjugating it. The present stem is often not predictable from the infinitive and so is to be learnt separately. The present stem of the verb (naqiq) 'to read' for example, is (naq), so the present first person singular would be (kanaqiq) 'I eat, am eating, do eat'. The third person singular ending is (-ash). The negative is pronounced ne before ka, but in all other tenses, it is pronounced na.


    Present subjunctive
    The present subjunctive is made by changing the prefix ka- of the present tense to be- or bo- (before a verb with the vowel o): ex: benaq'tl 'I may read' or "bejakesh'tsob "They may write"

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    Final Sentence Examples

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    here are some sample sentences with some nouns. I have noted some of the nouns mentioned in examples above under the second sample as well as some key words.

    Chaxabyar salak sa gaqchik,ug oboksaaq sa gaqnachik. (Children like shali fruit but they don't like human [non amatyar] meat.)

    Aqinyar obok sa gurmakatl, ug saaqash natepok. (The priests sacrificed the [non-amatyar] man, but did not eat his flesh.

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    Vocabulary

    • Aqin - priest
    • Naqom - Diviner/oracle
    • Gurmak - sacrifice
    • tepok - eat.
    • Naq - book
    • Chaq'ta - chief
    • Sa'akh - slave
    • Bataq - brother
    • Nisaq - Sister
    • Ama - Mother
    • Apa - Father
    • Oqui - big
    • Kaliq - Prophet (Kaliq Halaw = High [exalted, great] Prophet)
    • Chaxab - Child
    • Salak - Shali Fruit
    • Gaq - they
    • Saaq - meat
    • Sebok - Crocodile
    • Keq - Frog
    • Chiqip - Bird
    • Ayub - Cloud
    • A'atsak - Warrior
    • Umaya - Ocean
    • Benok - Dog
    • Soq - Stone
    • Soqak- Axe
    • Soqik - Knife
    • Soqtip - Adze
     
  3. Thlayli

    Thlayli Le Pétit Prince

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    Three Old Stories of the Bones of the Earth

    A Sa'a story:


    In the beginning, Watcher created the skies, and set His children to watch over their glittering beauty. Watcher had all His children collect the great shining stars and scatter them around His throne. But Ko’oa, the deep one, instead made a great plot of land on Her stomach and covered it in fronds to hide from Watcher. It was Ko’oa who made the people out of the mud of Her body. When Watcher saw it, He was maddened with jealousy. He struck Ko’oa with His adze many times, and the scars in Ko’oa’s body carved the hills and the rivers, Ko’oa’s blood. This is why Ko’oa sleeps forever, the sleep of the fevered. Yet She and Her children can be seen in dreams, when we dream as She does.

    With their mother asleep and no longer able to speak to them, Watcher turned to the people she had made. Watcher gazed down with hatred, and burned, and burned away their memory of their maker. But some, the Sa’a, hid under the fronds and remembered that Ko’oa had made them, and that Her body protected the people. The lesson of this story is that even in Her sleep near to death there is great magic to be wrought from the body of Ko'oa, and that, by covering themselves in the blood of Watcher’s children, He can be tricked into ignoring the Sa’a for a time, for Watcher cannot see what He cannot smell.


    The other lesson of this story is that if you are found, you will die, so it is important to hide.

    A Sasad story:

    In the first day, Watcher was great, and He shone with every light, and the world was burned to ash. In the second day, Watcher grew tired, and decided to sleep. But then the world froze to ice. Watcher saw that it was poor, and sought to restore balance. So Watcher had many children, yet was careful to make them less strong than Himself. Watcher was a strong god, but a stupid one, and this is why the world failed to be in balance.

    His children, the lesser lights, He made lesser, and made them to only shine when Watcher was tired of rising over the World - the night when He slept. His first and greatest child, He called Waiter, and He set Waiter to watch over all the lesser children which came after him when Watcher slept. One day, Watcher came to realize His folly, that each child's light diminished His own. And so He came to take the lights from His children, crushing their skulls with His club and casting them down out of the sky. And still, to this day, some of these dead ones can be seen falling from the sky.

    Waiter saw this, and did nothing, knowing that Watcher loved Him most, and would kill Him last. The children cried out to Waiter for mercy, but Waiter showed no remorse, pleading powerlessness before the great Watcher. But one day, Waiter told Watcher that there was a light He had seen, a light greater even than Watcher's light. He claimed it was a light that only came out at night, when Watcher slept. But if Watcher would come out during the night, He would show Him this rival and He might kill him.

    So Watcher one day came out at night, and stepped into the shadow of the moon, and was covered in its shadow - and in this moment Watcher's power was taken from it, and He felt true fear. But Waiter (and some other ones, Waiter's children) seized Watcher, and they stabbed Him with bone knives and spears many times. And Watcher's blood fell, and where it congealed, it became the great red ridges of rock which you see rising from the sand. And where Watcher's urine and bile fell, it dried out and became the sands themselves. And where Watcher's tears fell, it became the water (yet remains salty, for nothing Watcher gives can ever be good).

    But the skin of Watcher, Waiter kept, since He knew in time Watcher's other children might resent Waiter for His action, and seek revenge. Waiter sets Watcher's corpse to rise and fall in the same pathway. That is why Watcher is a dead god, for its course does not change, rising in the east and setting in the west. But Waiter is a living god, for its course and appearance and phase changes all the year. Watcher's other children are fooled by this and think Him to still be alive. But there are still times when Waiter celebrates His victory over Watcher, and these are the rare days once in a person's life when the sun turns black.

    The lesson of this story is that what you think to be balance is really a trick.


    A Thehad story:

    Know now, and hear! For I will tell, the story of the Watcher’s knell,
    His fourteen children, sired all, in days when every star would fall,
    And one by one, their flesh consumed, as Watcher’s greed, His children doomed.
    The children fought, but all was lost, their Father scourging them when crossed.
    Their bodies fell and made the land, their tears the oceans, and the sand.
    Their hair the trees, their voice the air, their bones the hills and mountains fair,
    Then born of these Fourteen, came Man, their birth defying Watcher’s ban.
    That life would burn and land would fade, till light consumed the final shade.
    The underworld indwells them still, their haunts of darkness under-hill.
    From whence the gods and ghosts still come, to where we go when life is done.
    Those gods themselves will rise again, the era of the Second Ken.
    And heroes of your fathers’ time, still trace their blood upon this line.
    Know Freken, Kelsr, Thendr, Med, Hodalren, Krstr, Redorled.
    Know Gristren, Karstren, Jormid, Lir, Alandr, Vod, Varhallindir.
     
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  4. Jehoshua

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    A Song of the Black God

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    In the time of ancient gods, beyond the veil of heaven
    Our father conceived the world, and hallowed gods unbidden
    to descend from up on high, to manifest all things
    to fashion earth and water, and become undying kings.

    Yet to the giver of life, the world begetting serpent
    envy rankled in their hearts, thus to evil their wills bent.
    Taking counsel together, the gods bemoaned their fate
    Their power bound in the world, heaven locked behind a gate.

    Forever lost to the gods, was the ambrosial font
    Eternities bright rapture, lost to their capricious want.
    Then spoke the chief betrayer, of murder did he intone
    that the heart of god raised up, might for his offense atone.

    "Oh brothers his divine spark, will our wicked bonds unbind
    his heart shall sustain the world, and grant life to mortal kind.
    May fire enlighten the world, from divinities wellspring
    whilst we partake of true light, and His life to darkness bring"

    Heeding the traitors whispers, they hearkened to His abode.
    To the mountains pinnacle, the high gods unyielding strode,
    at its foot lay groves of trees, verdant with golden-hued fronds
    streams in four directions flowed, spirits laughed in crystal ponds.

    "Come forth brother" cried the beast, his knife hidden by his side
    "Let us feast on bright nectar, let our souls in spirit ride
    on bright clouds of memory, savouring what we have wrought
    the seas and the endless sky, and of all that we have thought"

    Thinking all of this quite fine, Noroqin left his dwelling
    His hearth smoking untended, no thoughts of war compelling
    for here were his great brothers, kings and gods of all the earth
    and his mind held no evil, for what thing do gods have dearth?

    "You stole our place in heaven!", did the wicked spirits cry
    their knives flashing like the stars, their spears rending through the sky
    Then His heart they raised aloft, to become the shining sun
    His body did they rend apart, to become His rightful sons.

    Oh lament the death of god, for he knew this was his fate
    to be locked beneath the earth, imprisoned behind deaths gate.
    He was sacrificed for us, for us did his blood outpour
    Thus we offer blood to him, and partake in holy war.

    For as by his blood we live, so by blood may he be freed
    the bonds of death cast aside, as our god on life does feed.
    When he walks the world again, the gods shall tremble in fear
    the earth shudder and sea smoke, as they lose what they hold dear

    Rejoice brothers and sisters, when the world anew is made
    for we rise in his rising, and regain all that we have paid,
    Shedding the scales from our eyes, and the bonds that bind our minds
    that we might attain the light, and see wonders of all kinds.

    O blessed liberation, for this we give sacrifice
    imbibing the carnal flesh, to god paying a due price.
    That we might have victory, an end to trials and fasting
    that in his final triumph, we'll have peace everlasting!

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    ~ It is believed based on this cave-image dear students, one of the most northerly Amatyar sites to date, that the warriors of this ancient people would sing songs and offer sacrifice before engaging in raids against foreign foes. What manner of hymns might they have sung, what spiritual songs might they have intoneed as they partook of their flesh-feasts? Alas we can only imagine the kinds of canticles that might have left these warriors lips as they paid tribute to their black god for the mysteries of this most distant of ages are found in no written testament nor ancient book, only these enigmatic carvings, crude altars of stone and a great many skulls bear testament to their passing.
     
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  5. tuxedohamm

    tuxedohamm Disguised as crow.

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    Early Oaya/Oaye Language
    Google Doc

    For most words, the root will be followed by a number of descriptive infixes with an ending determiner suffix. Prefixes are primarily used as grammatical markers. With some inevitable exceptions, only the root and determiner suffix are required.

    Oaya: "Mother's people." Conceptually a term used for "human(s)", and more specifically the early Oaya/Oaye culture group. The word is composed of the root "O-" which is understood to represent a person/people but isn't used by itself, and the suffix "aya" which is the word for mother. With no following suffix, "aya" is therefore in the possessor position of the word and not used as a descriptor. Compare with oayasa, "that/the mothering person" and oayatun, "a mothering person."

    Aya: "Mother," and Aye: "father." Both words can be broken down into the "A-" which is an archaic form of "O-," and a gendered suffix "-ya" for female, "-ye" for Male, and "-yů" for neuter/nongendered words. (Such as "anyů" for "it" when used as a sentence object.)

    As such, it is supposed that an earlier word for human may have been, "aaya." Broken down into syllables it would be, a-a-ya. With the possibilty that aaya came from an even earlier q"aa" or a-a.

    In communication, a child would likely use "Aya" as a name for their mother. However, as a word, "aya" would require a determiner suffix. Ayasa, "the mother;" ayatun, "a mother;" ayaaya or ayaya, "mother's mother."

    As mentioned before, "O-" is not used by itself. The words osa "the person" and otun "a person" are used instead. However, the words do not exclusively refer to human people, and may instead refer to any humanoid or humanlike being.

    You can then get the following:

    1: Baelůn anosa? : See the person?
    2: Odus? : Which person?
    1: Osůmetsa. : The birdman.


    Known Words

    *Hyphens indicate that the word cannot stand alone and requires an additional suffix/prefix in usage.

    Oaya: Human
    Oaye: Human
    Aya: Mother
    Aye: Father
    O-: Person
    Sů-: Animal
    Met: Sea/Ocean
    Vos: Cloud/Float/Fly
    Bak: River/Movement/Flow

    -sa: the/this/these
    -tun: a/an/some (Though is often omitted on word roots that can stand alone.)
    an-: sentence object
    -ya: female/feminine
    -ye: male/masculine
    -yů: nongendered
     
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  6. Aiken_Drumn

    Aiken_Drumn King

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    How insanely exciting :)

    I'll get more involved with time
     
  7. Jehoshua

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    @Aiken_Drumn :feel free to get involved any time. While orders for update 1 are not yet locked do note that update 2 is scheduled for around March 14 (a week from now) so when it drops that would be a good time to get more involved if you want to ramp up involvement later on. (same for anyone reading this before that time who is considering joining this endeavor).

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    Documents List.

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    ~ Orders

    Update I

    ~ Background

    Religion Notes
     
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  8. Aiken_Drumn

    Aiken_Drumn King

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    Thank you @Jehoshua I will if I get a moment :)
     
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    North King blech

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