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Richard III

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I am about to be completely destroyed. This is a question post, not a story, but a brief history is in order:

The Tragedy of BABYLON

4000 BC - 900 Ad
Babylonian civ develops on the northern tip of Persia, the world's second largest continent, an Austrialia-sized north-south mass with diverse terrain that is the shape of madagascar. Babylon is hemmed in, with five cities, but it does well in world affairs thanks to a monopoly on ivory. Persia develops the southern 2/3rds of the Island, building a ten city civ. Persia controls all of the continent's iron.

900 AD - 1000 AD
Persia - Babylon's loyal friend - launches a surprise attack on the small republic and swiftly crushes its forces.

1000AD - 1300 AD
Babylon recovers three cities with cultural flips, and it rebuilds its civ and its army gradually, hoping for revenge.

1300-1350 AD - The Aztec Tributary War
Bablyon refuses Aztec demands for technology, and the distant Aztecs declare war. Montezum recruits the Persians, who launch a second assault on Bablyon - which is only just beginning its military reorganization.

As I write, the Persians have conquered Ellipi and Akkad. Ur is surrounded, and burning as citizens panic and flee. Small Babylonian units resist in the Persopolis mountains on the old border. The city of Babylon itself, on the vulnerable northern tip of the island, is depopulated by massive conscription. Worse, its cultural treasures have almost been completely destroyed by seaborne cavalry raids and shelling from a fleet of no less than 10 Persian frigates.

So, I am now, for the first time ever, in the situation where I have bothered to play the game to a point where I risk complete destruction. To prevent the inevitable, my only Galleon escaped to sea, running a massive Persian blockade, carrying 1 cannon, 1 cavalry, 1 musketeer and ONE SETTLER!

Crucial question: like other civs, do I stay alive as long as my settler stays alive?

R.III
 
No idea. I think that in Civ 2 you weren't defeated until all of your cities and settlers were destroyed, but I'm not sure about Civ 3. :confused:

Can't you just fortify Babylon until you found another city?
 
Yup. If you've got a settler, you're still alive. I found this out when my enemy the Chinese was utterly beaten and, while I was in a Democracy, I suffered the war-happiness penalty for a long while when I finally tracked down that last booger.

So there you go. Make the most of it.
 
Thanks for the advice. Although thanks a small but pointless miracle I never got to test the theory.

Events since my post:

1. My galleon arrives at the world's only small island (with five squares of territory), home to the badly placed city of Akwasasne, now in Egyptian hands. Happily, Egypt joined the coalition against me one turn before.
2. The galleon spews out my troops. The settler stays in, just in case.
3. A second galleon carrying riflemen is destroyed by frigates as it tries to escape Ur.
4. Persians bypass my mountain border forts to capture Ur
5. The landing force miraculously seizes Akwasasne in a ridiculously close battle and renames it "Free Babylon." I join the settler with the city in to assimilate the population
6. Babylon falls and is razed to the ground by the aggressor. The mountain forts fall soon after (although they did put up a hell of a fight, destroying three times their number)
7. A large Egyptian force lands at Free Bablyon but is quickly destroyed.
8. A second Egyptian force lands and digs in.

Finally, peace is concluded, at great cost, with Egypt, France, Persia and the Aztecs.

Renamed "Free Babylon," Akwasasne is now occupied by two hostile armies (French and Egyptian), and it is the subject of a three country trade embargo (why? what did I do?). I may come by with a screenshot - the sight of this lonely island in the middle of nowhere really is pathetic. But the dream lives on....

R.III
 
DEATH TO THE BABYLONIANS!!!!!

No offense to you Richard III, I just hate the Babylonians. I have never met a Babylonian that I liked. Come to think of it, never met a Babylonian.


On a side note, congrats to sticking with the game while you were getting trashed. So many of us tend to quit when it looks like we will find ourselves on the wrong side of the rifle barrel.
 
Originally posted by sealman

On a side note, congrats to sticking with the game while you were getting trashed. So many of us tend to quit when it looks like we will find ourselves on the wrong side of the rifle barrel. [/B]

I'll second that. I recently quit a game with 5 or 6 cities remaining because I was being attacked by nearly everyone else, most of whom would not acknowledge my envoy and the rest wanted everything I had for peace. When something like 30 Samauri showed up (my army was depleted to maybe 50 total units (including an awesome "elite" force of three knights) and I knew the English and Germans were right behind with nice sized invasion forces, I bailed. (In fairness, I had started with maybe 12-14 cities and foolishly declared war on the Aztecs, taking another 3 or 4 cities before the rest of the world ganged up on me.)

I fully expect you to be wiped out completely but update the thread to let us know how it eventually ends, if you can.
 
Originally posted by Richard III
Renamed "Free Babylon," . . . the sight of this lonely island in the middle of nowhere really is pathetic. But the dream lives on....
R.III

A wonderful, pathetic, amazing story. Have I ever told you my "Luxembourg strategy?"

Joan, what nice eyes you have. Give me some saltpeter, please?

Catherine, you are so lovely today. Could you spare a few gold pieces. I'll pay you back in, oh say, a couple of hundred years or so.

Bismark, kind fellow, here is your annual tribute. What do you mean it's not enough? And would you mind telling those nice panzers of yours to get off the palace lawn. Thank you very much.
 
:lol:

But before I laugh too hard, I'd better learn the lines and get used to it for the next few hours!

And I normally quit when things are that rough, too, but I'd developed a peculiar attachment to the smallness of my Bablyonian civ, trapped up there on the northern corner. And, as playing a story, desperately fleeing my burning civ with a galleon packed with refugees was just as exciting as a successful invasion. Felt like taking the millenium falcon out of Cloud City.

"Catherine, what lovely, eh, eyes, you have. How about some saltpeter? I'll replace your horse for a day or two if you can loan me a ton or two..."

R.III
 
Sounds like you were just being used as a tool for other empires to get things from each other. Likely your war against the Aztecs caused the Persians to offer their assistance (for a price.) Other empires, seeing you as "easy pickings" quickly jump on the bandwagon.. selling their military assistance for even a few gold (they know you're no threat.) Its a win-win situation for everyone but you.

I tried to play peaceful on a huge map with 16 civs once. There was lots of fighting but I stayed out of it and I maintained a very small military. Then I was threatened for some goodies and I refused.. war started. From then on I was bombarded with war alliances and embargoes.. every freakin civ must have been at war with me, it was nuts. And I had never done anything to anyone. Moral of the story.. if you don't have a strong military position it may be wise to give in to demands. Its humiliating, sure, but life is tough sometimes. It can actually make the agressor like you too.
 
lol, is there anywhere else for you to settle, or are you just destined to a Taiwan-esque existence on the little island?

THE FREE BABYLON CAMPAIGN MUST GO ON!!!!!!
 
Originally posted by Hamlet
lol, is there anywhere else for you to settle, or are you just destined to a Taiwan-esque existence on the little island?

THE FREE BABYLON CAMPAIGN MUST GO ON!!!!!!

Taiwan! Ha! Taiwan doesn't have three-fifths of its territory occupied by French and Egyptian troops that outnumber my own by four to one.

There is a little open territory where the now-extinct Iroquious once were. Three Iroquoiyan cities were razed there in a Persian war that ended shortly before I got the chop. Call it "the badlands." But guess what? NOT promising. I couldn't go there when I fled Ur, because no less than ten Persian frigates were in the way. I would have had to round Cape Babylon and cross a Persian-dominated strait to get there, without escorts. Worse, I could have walked across that water, and waiting on the other side was a pair of Persian (former Iroquios) cities on the border of the badlands.

There is also still a square or two left near where Babylon was destroyed. It's mostly desert, with a lake and a whole slew of ivory. It doesn't look as though Persia has filled it yet. Perhaps I should set a new goal of recolonizing the old site of Babylon, ut hey, I'm back to the stone age here! It will take me a century bust to rebuild the damn temple (btw, I had rush built it, but the damn French navy shelled it just before I signed the treaties). Happily, I still have the Galleon intact.

Let me try to get a screenshot online tonight to make the desolation clear. Free Babylon is about as close to the only empty land on the map as Hawaii is (in fact, the world in this game looks like an inverted Earth map, with Persia as the Americas, and my island sort of where the Phillipines would be. On that representation, the badlands are where Spain would be. Not convenient).

I feel like Hammurabi Crusoe, or the Babylon Family Robinson, and yet, retreat to it was my best option.

The exiled Richard III
Emporer of Akwasasne Atoll
 
This is a great little story ~ thumbs up for tenacity in hanging in there. Reminds me of my very first game of civ 3. I tried deity and survived into mod era with a small continent nation of about 8 cities that i guess was too small for anyone to be interested in attacking. Ended up with a dismal 700 score but it was interesting nonetheless.
 
What a tale of desperation and hope! I'd loan you some military units if I could. Keep us posted!
 
I know this was not meant to be a story, but a great one it is, and I find myself also rooting for you.

Good luck! And let us know the fate of our little isle....any shot at building the UN?

Bill
Trade Leader - CivIII Democracy Game
 
Originally posted by Rain
Reminds me of my very first game of civ 3. I tried deity and survived into mod era with a small continent nation of about 8 cities that i guess was too small for anyone to be interested in attacking. Ended up with a dismal 700 score but it was interesting nonetheless.

Good god! Talk about diving in on the deep end.

Well, I had no idea fans were still out there, rooting for the refugees, so I'd thought I could duck back in a week. Because, to be honest, Free Bablyon must wait until the weekend, since:

1. My homestead now has a new desktop (flat screen, 1.6gig IBM)
2. My old Bablyon is on my clunky 350mg/15" CRT
3. I am moving all of my files, including my saved Free Bablyon game - over on the weekend, since computer "a" has no CD-RW and computer "b" has no floppy, I will have to do it by creating a LAN in my office, and...

So, there will be screenshots, and there will be updates. Not that I expect to last long with everyone ganging up on me so easily. And the UN? My only hope for wonders is that the occupation armies attack my two (elite) units and give me a leader, which strikes me as unlikely. And keep in mind I won't likely even have a VOTE in the UN in my current shape.

But the people of Bablyon are cheered by this public support. Do your bit! Send a harshly worded letter to the Persian President, attacking his human rights violations! I'm sure it will have an influence...
 
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers...

Congrats for fighting the good fight.
 
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