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US electoral system one of the worst in the world

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Ahovking, Nov 1, 2012.

  1. Ahovking

    Ahovking Cyber Nations

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    In Marion, Ohio people are lining up to vote early but it seems that something is wrong, when checking who you voted for people found that while voting for mitt Romney the machines counted the vote for Obama while if you had voted for Obama it would of been counted for Obama.

    read the rest here:
    http://www.wtsp.com/news/national/article/280630/81/Voting-machine-problems-raise-questions

    I would also like to add.

    Just want to say things like this should NEVER happen to a first world nation. Its these problem that make people think America could be in some sort of social/political decline.
     
  2. bhsup

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    News flash to the rest of the world. Ohio is not the United States. It is one state among 50 and to suggest that because Ohio sucks the rest suck shows a complete lack of understanding of the United States, thereby totally invalidating those foreign opinions. There is no such thing as a "US electoral system" unless they are specifically talking about the Electoral College, which really doesn't have any bearing on polling stations.
     
  3. ComradeDavo

    ComradeDavo Formerly God

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    It is bad yes. But Russia's is terriable. Very undemocratic. So probably best to pick a different country when looking for critical quotes about it!
     
  4. Arwon

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    That's pretty terrible in itself really. Letting states and counties run their own chunk of a national election seems a recipe for shenanigans.
     
  5. bugwar

    bugwar Emperor

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    Yes. Dump local supervision and responsibility.

    Let the professional Federal criminals run the elections, keep the amateurs out.

    The nanny state Collective never misses a beat in either belittling the individual or encouraging groupthink.
     
  6. Core Imposter

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    This is happening in a number of states and appears to be a quirk with certain voting systems. If not properly prepared they do in fact seem to err for Obama. I have not seen reports of it being the other way round.

    Might be a programing issue related to the alphabet.

    Is it possible that this election could be determined by deliberate hacking efforts? Yes. We should be using paper ballots imo.
     
  7. bhsup

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    Again, I think this is where foreign confusion is coming into play. We have no national election. This next Tuesday people in all the States will be going to vote for how their State will have its electors vote in the Electoral College. Nothing beyond State electors and other State level federal offices, State offices, county offices, etc are being decided. The President will actually be elected later in December by the Electoral College.

    In other words, everything this next Tuesday is solely a State issue, State by State.
     
  8. Murky

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    I'd say that the Ohio and Florida election systems are pretty bad. There isn't enough information to say that every state/county has problems. The major problems came when some officials realized they could hide election fraud inside electronic voting machines. This is well documented. It's things like that cause you to end up with imbeciles in high places. That's going to come back to bite them because those imbeciles will ruin the party brand like with George W. Bush.
     
  9. Goodfella

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    You don't even need to say Ohio. It's Marion County, Ohio. Obviously with a population of 300 million in the whole country. there will be issues somewhere.


    This is such a ridiculous thread. The premise holds that the US has the worst electoral system (whatever that means) in the world because 1 county in 1 state screwed something up! Seriously, think that over for a sec. And then you get a quote from a Russian! Is this a joke? I mean, maybe if you got a quote from a Swede or a Canadian. But a Russian! :lol:

    Oh yeah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
    Spoiler :
    1 Norway 9-10 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    2 Iceland 9-10 Full democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    3 Denmark 9-10 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    4 Sweden 9-10 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    5 New Zealand 9-10 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    6 Australia 9-10 Full democracy Federalism, constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    7 Switzerland 9-10 Full democracy Federalism, directorial system, bicameralism
    8 Canada 9-10 Full democracy Federalism, constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism,
    9 Finland 9-10 Full democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    10 Netherlands 9-10 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy, parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    11 Luxembourg 8-9 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    12 Ireland 8-9 Full democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    13 Austria 8-9 Full democracy Federalism, parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    14 Germany 8-9 Full democracy Federalism, parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    15 Malta 8-9 Full democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    16 Czech Republic 8-9 Full democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    17 Uruguay 8-9 Full democracy Presidential system, bicameralism
    18 United Kingdom 8-9 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    19 United States 8-9 Full democracy Federalism, constitutional republic, presidential system, bicameralism
    20 Costa Rica 8-9 Full democracy Presidential system
    21 Japan 8-9 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    22 South Korea 8-9 Full democracy Semi-presidential system, unicameralism
    23 Belgium 8-9 Full democracy Federalism, constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    24 Mauritius 8-9 Full democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy
    25 Spain 8-9 Full democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    26 Cape Verde 7-8 Flawed democracy Unitary parliamentary republic
    27 Portugal 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy
    28 South Africa 7-8 Flawed democracy Constitutional democracy, bicameralism
    29 France 7-8 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential system, bicameralism
    30 Slovenia 7-8 Flawed democracy Constitutional democracy, incomplete bicameralism
    31 Italy 7-8 Flawed democracy Bicameralism, parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy
    32 Greece 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic and parliamentary democracy
    33 Botswana 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic, unicameralism
    34 Estonia 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic, unicameralism
    35 Chile 7-8 Flawed democracy Presidential system, bicameralism
    36 Israel 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    37 Taiwan 7-8 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential system, unicameralism
    38 Slovakia 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic, unicameralism
    39 India 7-8 Flawed democracy Federalism, parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    40 Cyprus 7-8 Flawed democracy Presidential republic, unicameralism
    41 Lithuania 7-8 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential republic, unicameralism
    42 Timor-Leste 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic
    43 Trinidad and Tobago 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic
    44 Jamaica 7-8 Flawed democracy Constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    45 Poland 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic, bicameralism
    45 Brazil 7-8 Flawed democracy Federalism, presidential system, bicameralism
    47 Panama 7-8 Flawed democracy Constitutional democracy
    48 Latvia 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic, unicameralism
    49 Hungary 7-8 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic, unicameralism
    50 Mexico 6-7 Flawed democracy Federalism, presidential system, republic
    51 Argentina 6-7 Flawed democracy Federalism, presidential system, bicameralism
    52 Bulgaria 6-7 Flawed democracy Parliamentary democracy
    53 Croatia 6-7 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic, unicameralism
    54 Suriname 6-7 Flawed democracy Constitutional democracy
    55 Colombia 6-7 Flawed democracy Presidential system, republic
    56 Peru 6-7 Flawed democracy Presidential system, republic, unicameralism
    57 Sri Lanka 6-7 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential system, democratic socialist republic
    58 Thailand 6-7 Flawed democracy Constitutional monarchy, parliamentary democracy, bicameralism
    59 Romania 6-7 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential system, bicameralism
    60 Indonesia 6-7 Flawed democracy Presidential system, republic, regional state, bicameralism
    61 El Salvador 6-7 Flawed democracy Presidential system, republic
    62 Paraguay 6-7 Flawed democracy Constitutional republic, presidential system
    63 Mali 6-7 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential system
    64 Serbia 6-7 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic
    64 Lesotho 6-7 Flawed democracy Constitutional monarchy, parliamentary system
    64 Moldova 6-7 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic
    67 Papua New Guinea 6-7 Flawed democracy Constitutional monarchy, Parliamentary democracy, unicameralism
    68 Namibia 6-7 Flawed democracy Republic
    69 Mongolia 6-7 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential system, republic
    70 Dominican Republic 6-7 Flawed democracy Democratic republic, representative democracy
    71 Malaysia 6-7 Flawed democracy Constitutional monarchy, Parliamentary democracy, Federalism, bicameralism
    71 Zambia 6-7 Flawed democracy Presidential system, representative democracy
    73 Macedonia 6-7 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic
    74 Montenegro 6-7 Flawed democracy Parliamentary republic
    75 Philippines 6-7 Flawed democracy Presidential system, constitutional republic, bicameralism
    76 Benin 6-7 Flawed democracy Republic
    77 Guyana 6-7 Flawed democracy Semi-presidential system, republic
    78 Ghana 6-7 Flawed democracy Presidential system, constitutional republic
    79 Ukraine 5-6 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential system, republic
    80 Hong Kong 5-6 Hybrid regime Quasi-presidential Autonomous region with limited suffrage, unicameralism
    81 Singapore 5-6 Hybrid regime Parliamentary republic
    82 Guatemala 5-6 Hybrid regime Presidential republic
    83 Bangladesh 5-6 Hybrid regime Parliamentary republic, unitary state
    84 Bolivia 5-6 Hybrid regime Presidential republic, unitary state
    84 Honduras 5-6 Hybrid regime Constitutional republic
    86 Malawi 5-6 Hybrid regime Republic
    87 Albania 5-6 Hybrid regime Parliamentary republic
    88 Turkey 5-6 Hybrid regime Parliamentary republic
    89 Ecuador 5-6 Hybrid regime Presidential system
    90 Tanzania 5-6 Hybrid regime Republic
    91 Nicaragua 5-6 Hybrid regime Presidential republic
    92 Tunisia 5-6 Hybrid regime Republic
    93 Senegal 5-6 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential system
    94 Lebanon 5-6 Hybrid regime Confessionalist parliamentary republic
    95 Bosnia and Herzegovina 5-6 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential system
    96 Uganda 5-6 Hybrid regime Presidential system, republic
    97 Venezuela 5-6 Hybrid regime Federalism, presidential system
    98 Liberia 5-6 Hybrid regime Presidential republic
    99 Palestine 4-5 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential system, parliamentary democracy
    100 Mozambique 4-5 Hybrid regime Presidential system
    101 Cambodia 4-5 Hybrid regime Constitutional monarchy, parliamentary democracy
    102 Georgia 4-5 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential system, republic
    103 Kenya 4-5 Hybrid regime Presidential system
    104 Bhutan 4-5 Hybrid regime Constitutional monarchy, parliamentary democracy
    105 Pakistan 4-5 Hybrid regime Islamic republic, federalism, parliamentary republic
    106 Sierra Leone 4-5 Hybrid regime Constitutional republic
    107 Kyrgyzstan 4-5 Hybrid regime Parliamentary republic
    108 Nepal 4-5 Hybrid regime Parliamentary republic
    109 Mauritania 4-5 Hybrid regime Islamic republic
    110 Niger 4-5 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential republic
    111 Armenia 4-5 Hybrid regime Presidential republic
    112 Iraq 4-5 Hybrid regime Parliamentary republic
    113 Burundi 4-5 Hybrid regime Republic
    114 Haiti 4-5 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential system, republic
    115 Egypt 3-4 Hybrid regime Semi-presidential republic
    116 Madagascar 3-4 Authoritarian regime Presidential system
    117 Russia 3-4 Authoritarian regime Federalism, semi-presidential system, bicameralism
    118 Jordan 3-4 Authoritarian regime Constitutional monarchy
    119 Nigeria 3-4 Authoritarian regime Federalism, presidential system
    119 Morocco 3-4 Authoritarian regime Constitutional monarchy, bicameralism
    121 Ethiopia 3-4 Authoritarian regime Federalism, parliamentary republic
    122 Kuwait 3-4 Authoritarian regime Constitutional monarchy
    123 Fiji 3-4 Authoritarian regime Military appointed Parliamentary republic
    124 Burkina Faso 3-4 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential system, republic
    125 Libya 3-4 Authoritarian regime Provisional Parliamentary republic
    126 Cuba 3-4 Authoritarian regime Socialist republic, single-party communist state
    126 Comoros 3-4 Authoritarian regime Federal republic
    128 Gabon 3-4 Authoritarian regime Republic
    129 Togo 3-4 Authoritarian regime Republic
    130 Algeria 3-4 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential system, republic
    131 Cameroon 3-4 Authoritarian regime Republic
    132 The Gambia 3-4 Authoritarian regime Republic
    133 Angola 3-4 Authoritarian regime Presidential system
    134 Oman 3-4 Authoritarian regime Islamic absolute monarchy
    134 Swaziland 3-4 Authoritarian regime Absolute monarchy
    136 Rwanda 3-4 Authoritarian regime Republic
    137 Kazakhstan 3-4 Authoritarian regime Presidential system
    138 Qatar 3-4 Authoritarian regime Constitutional monarchy
    139 Belarus 3-4 Authoritarian regime Presidential system
    140 Azerbaijan 3-4 Authoritarian regime Presidential system
    141 People's Republic of China 3-4 Authoritarian regime People's democratic dictatorship, single-party communist state
    142 Côte d’Ivoire 3-4 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential system, republic
    143 Vietnam 2-3 Authoritarian regime Socialist republic, single-party communist state
    144 Bahrain 2-3 Authoritarian regime Constitutional monarchy
    145 Republic of the Congo 2-3 Authoritarian regime Republic
    146 Guinea 2-3 Authoritarian regime Presidential republic
    147 Zimbabwe 2-3 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential, parliamentary, consociationalist republic
    147 Djibouti 2-3 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential republic
    149 United Arab Emirates 2-3 Authoritarian regime Federalism, constitutional monarchy
    150 Yemen 2-3 Authoritarian regime Republic
    151 Tajikistan 2-3 Authoritarian regime Presidential system
    152 Afghanistan 2-3 Authoritarian regime Islamic republic
    153 Sudan 2-3 Authoritarian regime Federalism, presidential system, republic
    154 Eritrea 2-3 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential republic
    155 Democratic Republic of the Congo 2-3 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential republic
    156 Laos 2-3 Authoritarian regime Socialist republic, single-party communist state
    157 Guinea-Bissau 1-2 Authoritarian regime Semi-presidential system, republic
    157 Syria 1-2 Authoritarian regime Presidential system, single party, republic
    159 Iran 1-2 Authoritarian regime Islamic republic
    160 Central African Republic 1-2 Authoritarian regime Republic
    161 Saudi Arabia 1-2 Authoritarian regime Islamic absolute monarchy
    161 Equatorial Guinea 1-2 Authoritarian regime Presidential republic
    161 Burma 1-2 Authoritarian regime Unitary presidential republic
    164 Uzbekistan 1-2 Authoritarian regime Presidential republic
    165 Turkmenistan 1-2 Authoritarian regime Presidential republic, single-party state
    166 Chad 1-2 Authoritarian regime Republic
    167 North Korea 1-2 Authoritarian regime Juche unitary single-party state


    Bottom line is that isolated incidents are bound to occur in the third most populous country and that all organizations still hold that US democracy is at least decent. I'm not saying it's the best, but it's certainly not the worst.
     
  10. King Kalmah

    King Kalmah Magyar Madness

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    and yet it happens since 2000...I think my other posts are validated by the Russian Voting Commissioner...Never thought I'd say that(hangs his head in shame,but we are heading towards some weird Dictatorship,but with "voting" mixed in/corporate control over the figure head running the nation.I wonder if this is how elections work in China?)
     
  11. bhsup

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    That democracy list is a joke. There are nine nations ahead of the United States which still have a hereditary monarch as their head of State.
     
  12. Ahovking

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    The United States is meant to be the golden model of a democratic Democracy, the freest country on earth but its not in Democracy Index it ranks 19 while in freedom it ranks 10, that's unacceptable for any modern Democracy superpower that prides it self for being the defender of Democracy.
     
  13. KMRblue1027

    KMRblue1027 The Crown!

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitutional_monarchy

     
  14. ZeletDude

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    That are mere figureheads.. :rolleyes:

    edit - xpost :p
     
  15. History_Buff

    History_Buff Knight of Cydonia

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    For the last god damn time: USE PAPER BALLOTS
     
  16. King Kalmah

    King Kalmah Magyar Madness

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    Basically since America has all the celebrities the Europeans need someone to have the paparazzi chase around and take nude pictures of their princess...:lol:

    but yeah they hold Zero power...its like saying Uncle Sam(the cartoon) holds power it is merely a tool of nationalism and the only power it emits is what the nationalists put into it.(if you ignore the Queen/King then they really don't exist...)
     
  17. Arwon

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    Yes, we have a federalism too. That doesn't mean it's a good idea to let the local councils run important things like elections. It seems utterly mad that even things like registration rules and counting procedures are different from one state to another.

    What the hell are you talking about? Of course if you have a single, properly resourced, impartial electoral body administering a single set of rules, you're going to get better-run elections.
     
  18. Goodfella

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    So if I'm following your logic here, the US electoral system is one of the best in the world, but it's not quite the best, therefore it is the worst. :confused:
     
  19. woody60707

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    I love when people on the internet say it's well documented. 9/11 truthers were well documented too. It's the internet, you get anything "well documented", but that doesn't mean anything if the document is crap.

    OSCE election observers have been observing US elections since 2002. Not once have they ever came across anything but very minor issues. The internet gives rise to a wide range of conspiracy theories, but they never really ever pan out. We have everything from 9/11 truthers, planet X and free energy cold fusion. And no one seems to ever find out about these things but people on the internet.

    The POTUS is a Democrat. You think he's not even going to at least look in to this if there was any truth to it? ... but wait, most conspiracy theories think the President is in on "it" (What "it" is seems to change a lot).

    Voter fraud is very rare in the US. No, it's just not the other side that does it. ... no one does.
     
  20. Arwon

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    Disenfranchisement and turnout suppression on the other hand...
     

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