US to slash nuclear weapons?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/20/barack-obama-us-nuclear-weapons

Barack Obama has demanded the Pentagon conduct a radical review of US nuclear weapons doctrine to prepare the way for deep cuts in the country's arsenal, the Guardian can reveal.

Obama has rejected the Pentagon's first draft of the "nuclear posture review" as being too timid, and has called for a range of more far-reaching options consistent with his goal of eventually abolishing nuclear weapons altogether, according to European officials.

Those options include:

• Reconfiguring the US nuclear force to allow for an arsenal measured in hundreds rather than thousands of deployed strategic warheads.

• Redrafting nuclear doctrine to narrow the range of conditions under which the US would use nuclear weapons.

• Exploring ways of guaranteeing the future reliability of nuclear weapons without testing or producing a new generation of warheads.

The review is due to be completed by the end of this year, and European officials say the outcome is not yet clear. But one official said: "Obama is now driving this process. He is saying these are the president's weapons, and he wants to look again at the doctrine and their role."

The move comes as Obama prepares to take the rare step of chairing a watershed session of the UN security council on Thursday. It is aimed at winning consensus on a new grand bargain: exchanging more radical disarmament by nuclear powers in return for wider global efforts to prevent further proliferation.

That bargain is at the heart of the nuclear non-proliferation treaty, which is up for review next year amid signs it is unravelling in the face of Iranian and North Korean nuclear ambitions.

In an article for the Guardian today, the foreign secretary, David Miliband, argues that failure to win a consensus would be disastrous. "This is one of the most critical issues we face," the foreign secretary writes. "Get it right, and we will increase global security, pave the way for a world without nuclear weapons, and improve access to affordable, safe and dependable energy – vital to tackle climate change. Get it wrong, and we face the spread of nuclear weapons and the chilling prospect of nuclear material falling into the hands of terrorists."

According to a final draft of the resolution due to be passed on Thursday, however, the UN security council will not wholeheartedly embrace the US and Britain's call for eventual abolition of nuclear weapons. Largely on French insistence, the council will endorse the vaguer aim of seeking "to create the conditions for a world without nuclear weapons".

Gordon Brown is due to use this week's UN general assembly meeting to renew a diplomatic offensive on Iran for its failure to comply with security council demands that it suspend enrichment of uranium. The issue has been given greater urgency by an International Atomic Energy Agency document leaked last week which showed inspectors for the agency believed Iran already had "sufficient information" to build a warhead, and had tested an important component of a nuclear device.

Germany is also expected to toughen its position on Iran ahead of a showdown between major powers and the Iranian government on 1 October. But it is not yet clear what position will be taken by Russia, which has hitherto opposed the imposition of further sanctions on Iran.

Moscow's stance will be closely watched for signs of greater co-operation in return for Obama's decision last week to abandon a missile defence scheme in eastern Europe, a longstanding source of irritation to Russia.

"I hope the Russians realise they have to do something serious. I don't think a deal has been done, but there is a great deal of expectation," said a British official.

Russia has approximately 2,780 deployed strategic warheads, compared with around 2,100 in the US. The abandonment of the US missile defence already appears to have spurred arms control talks currently underway between Washington and Moscow: the Russian president, Dmitry Medvedev, said today that chances were "quite high" that a deal to reduce arsenals to 1,500 warheads each would be signed by the end of the year.

The US nuclear posture review is aimed at clearing the path for a new round of deep US-Russian cuts to follow almost immediately after that treaty is ratified, to set lower limits not just on deployed missiles but also on the thousands of warheads both have in their stockpiles.

The Obama strategy is to create disarmament momentum in the run-up to the non-proliferation treaty review conference next May, in the hope that states without nuclear weapons will not side with Iran, as they did at the last review in 2005, but endorse stronger legal barriers to nuclear proliferation, and forego nuclear weapons programmes themselves.

"The review has up to now been in the hands of mid-level bureaucrats with a lot of knowledge, but it's knowledge drawn from the cold war. What they are prepared to do is tweak the existing doctrine," said Rebecca Johnson, the head of the Acronym Institute, a pro-disarmament pressure group. "Obama has sent them it back saying: 'Give me more options for what we can do in line with my goals. I'm not saying it's easy, but all you're giving me is business as usual.'"

thoughts, opinions? I would imagine sectors of the military are beginning to get a little uneasy with him...
 
Obama is bending to the will of his Russian and Muslims masters again.
 
If we cut our nuclear weapons down, its not like our enemies will cut theirs or stop wanting to get them.
So I'm not fully sure what to think.
 
How much money would we save by cutting our nuclear arsenal?
 
If we cut our nuclear weapons down, its not like our enemies will cut theirs or stop wanting to get them.
So I'm not fully sure what to think.

Every time the US has cut back on its nuclear arsenal, it has done so by treaty with other nuclear powers. The US will not unilaterally disarm or reduce weapons numbers, if and when we do, Russia will be doing it with us.
 
All we really need is the ability to decimate any country stupid enough to use nukes against us or an ally. Since no other nation can boast 1000 cities of any size, we hardly need 1000 nukes.
 
Obama is bending to the will of his Russian and Muslims masters again.
Yeah, because, I mean, it's just so required to be able to nuke twenty times any enemy. Nuking it only three times over is just far too little. Especially considering the hundred of countries that got enough nukes to raze the USA themselves.
 
Yeah, because, I mean, it's just so required to be able to nuke twenty times any enemy. Nuking it only three times over is just far too little. Especially considering the hundred of countries that got enough nukes to raze the USA themselves.

Twenty times? You have to be able to do it hundreds of times, silly. ;)
 
All we really need is the ability to decimate any country stupid enough to use nukes against us or an ally. Since no other nation can boast 1000 cities of any size, we hardly need 1000 nukes.

We need them so we can design slogans that you can see from space in our enemies territory. How else are we going to put USA #1 all across Afghanistan?
 
Yeah, because, I mean, it's just so required to be able to nuke twenty times any enemy. Nuking it only three times over is just far too little. Especially considering the hundred of countries that got enough nukes to raze the USA themselves.

We can't appear weak to the rest of the world. We must maintain enough nukes to demolish the planet, and just for safety, the moon as well.
 
Thats not how it works. For starters, redundancy is good. Also, there are other targets besides cities. Also, it takes more than 1 warhead to destroy a city/target.

edit: wow huge crosspost, that was directed towards cutlass's post
 
How many of our nukes are older than me? I don't have a problem with retiring old nukes that are near the end of their life anyway. I do think we should keep at least hundreds in active service, the deterrent it provides doesn't get a lot of public notice, but has done a lot of good in the past few decades.
 
Thats not how it works. For starters, redundancy is good. Also, there are other targets besides cities. Also, it takes more than 1 warhead to destroy a city/target.

edit: wow huge crosspost, that was directed towards cutlass's post

How many countries do you know of that would be a going concern with 100 of it's largest cities gutted? No need to bounce the rubble.
 
How many countries do you know of that would be a going concern with 100 of it's largest cities gutted? No need to bounce the rubble.

Most American nuclear warheads are < 1 Mt. A single one is not going to level a whole city.

But then, most warheads are aimed at military installations, some of which are designed to withstand a direct nuclear strike, so you need more than one warhead per target, most of the time. We can't have a 1:1 ratio of targets and warheads, you know.
 
Most American nuclear warheads are < 1 Mt. A single one is not going to level a whole city.

But then, most warheads are aimed at military installations, some of which are designed to withstand a direct nuclear strike, so you need more than one warhead per target, most of the time. We can't have a 1:1 ratio of targets and warheads, you know.

Note that i used the word "gutted", not the word "leveled". ;)
 
We can't appear weak to the rest of the world. We must maintain enough nukes to demolish the planet, and just for safety, the moon as well.

Oh yeah, and then a few more nukes to destroy incoming asteroids.
 
Nukes are the ultimate deterrent. Why are we getting rid of them?

A: To make it easier for our enemies to invade.

;)
 
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