USSG 01 - Polar Bears

ruff_hi · Mar 21, 2006

Turn 191 (0) (1300 AD)
This is good - optics in 2 - lets go sailing for other civs - cheaper tech
St. Petersburg finishes: Catapult
Yakutsk grows: 5

Turn 192 (1) (1310 AD)
St. Petersburg begins: Archer
Tech learned: Optics
St. Petersburg finishes: Archer
Novgorod finishes: Horse Archer
Yaroslavl' finishes: Courthouse
Yekaterinburg finishes: Library
Yakutsk finishes: Library

Turn 193 (2) (1320 AD)
Research begun: Civil Service
St. Petersburg begins: Caravel - due in 3
Novgorod begins: Swordsman
Yaroslavl' begins: Caravel - due in 3
Yekaterinburg begins: Swordsman
Yakutsk begins: Galley
Rostov begins: Courthouse
Bantu begins: Lighthouse

Turn 194 (3) (1330 AD)
Moscow finishes: Catapult
Novgorod grows: 8
Novgorod finishes: Swordsman
I cancel OB with JC - heehee

Turn 195 (4) (1340 AD)
Moscow begins: Crossbowman
Novgorod begins: Swordsman
Moscow begins: Catapult
St. Petersburg finishes: Caravel
Novgorod finishes: Swordsman
Yaroslavl' finishes: Caravel

Turn 196 (5) (1350 AD)
St. Petersburg begins: Catapult
Novgorod begins: Catapult
Yaroslavl' begins: Library
Yaroslavl' begins: Catapult
St. Petersburg grows: 12
Yekaterinburg finishes: Swordsman
Smolensk grows: 2
I found a barb city - !QE@#$^#$^

Turn 197 (6) (1360 AD)
Novgorod finishes: Catapult
Yekaterinburg's borders expand
Yakutsk's borders expand
Yekaterinburg begins: Granary
Contact made: Spanish Empire
Bella!! And we are in front of her in score!

Turn 198 (7) (1370 AD)
Novgorod begins: Swordsman
While attacking, Axeman defeats (5.00/5): Barbarian Warrior
Moscow grows: 11
Moscow finishes: Catapult
St. Petersburg finishes: Catapult
Novgorod finishes: Swordsman
Yaroslavl' finishes: Catapult
Yekaterinburg grows: 6
Oh, this is interesting ... JC has a Caravel (hence optics) but he is just fooling around and not zooming around the world like our two are. Did I mention hat the Caravels have scouts on them. I dropped a scout off with Bella to, well, scout out her land.

Turn 199 (8) (1380 AD)
Moscow begins: Catapult
St. Petersburg begins: Catapult
Novgorod begins: Catapult
Yaroslavl' begins: Swordsman
Yaroslavl' begins: Galley
St. Petersburg begins: Galley
Novgorod finishes: Catapult
Rostov finishes: Courthouse
Yekaterinburg finishes: Granary
Yakutsk finishes: Galley
Smolensk finishes: Lighthouse

Turn 200 (9) (1390 AD)
Yekaterinburg begins: Catapult
Yakutsk begins: Courthouse
Smolensk begins: Library
Novgorod begins: Commerce - the logger doesn't give this message so I am not sure if it is Novgorod or not. Our military build up is starting to hit the treasure - hence the switch to building gold. We need to start using these units. There is a stack on our NW shore and a bunch of galleys being built or heading that way. I think they make very nice troop transport - don't you?

Turn 200 (10) (1390 AD)
St. Petersburg finishes: Galley
Yakutsk grows: 5
St. Petersburg begins: Galley
I finally have some units near the barb city - axe v archer on hill ... 29% odds for barb - no thx. I move a cat down there to help.
Catapult promoted: City Raider I

Well, this round I built up our military and sent Caravel E and W. The W'n one still has a scout on board while the E'n one's scout was dropped off in Bella's land.

DarthBeer · Mar 21, 2006

Good set of turns ruff, nice move on cancelling ob w/ Jules, I didnt even think of that :goodjob:

Thefigman · Mar 22, 2006

This is my have it. I'll be playing the turns tonight when I get home and get the kids to bed.

A few questions for the group:

1) Seeing the house on the hill fo the barb city means it's probably going to be a 2. Do we want to keep the barb city or raze it? It's near iron, has some hills and water, and would fight fog, but maintinence and growth will definitely be a problem short term.

2) I assume during my set of turns I should prepare us for an invasion of JC?

3) I don't have my civilopedia in front of me....... does civil service give us any variant mandated stuff? I want to make sure I move to it when the tech comes through.

Along the lines of exerting our Communist ways, I guess we'll have to make a run at JC sooner than later. If my memory serves me right, he has some nice production cities on his land.

Thoughts about the next 10 turns and beyond?

ruff_hi · Mar 22, 2006

The barb city is size 2 and guarded by 2 archers. JC has iron so he will have his UU.

bobrath · Mar 22, 2006

Umm, FigMan I think I'm up now... Or did the order change somewhere?

Yuri2356 · Mar 22, 2006

Bob is, indeed, up.

Also, since we'll be fighting JC I suggest we try to get out some crossbows for the assault.

Thefigman · Mar 22, 2006

Guys, I'm going to have to take a pass. My game locks up every time I try to get past the first turn, with any saved game I try. This is new for me playing CIV IV, so I might need a little time to fix it.

Sorry for the delay.

bobrath · Mar 23, 2006

Here's all thats good and happy:

Yup, we met a bunch of nice folks, and are just one move away from circumnavigation. (so next player needs to just move the two caravels closer and wait a turn for the fun!).

Everyone hates Gahndi, so I did not trade at all with him. No sense in ticking off the other 3 leaders that dislike him! No one really liked JC all that much, and no one has even heard of Isabella. So yeah, JC is going down.

Near the start of my turns, an advisor tells me the following:

That's a good sign that we should be moving on JC soon I think.

I raized the southern barb city... now why did someone leave a catapult on a long goto order when they passed off the save? The cat wasn't needed, and its just bad form (so I thought) to leave any unit on goto orders when you pass off. There were quite a few units on gotos...

In 1470, it was finally time (ie I had enough troops on Galleys ready to go) to end JCs view of the world. I demanded all his gold (10g) and he gave it to us! Well such a sign of weakness could only mean we should declare war. We did. I wiped out his galley with settler. We captured Arretium losing two suicide cats and our double city attack swordsman - Arretium is already out of revolt btw.

On JC's home island... we haven't taken any towns down yet, but we have repulsed one counterattack and our cats have reduced the defenses. Another set of four cats just arrived and should promote to City Raider to reduce the formidable defenses (longbow in a city on a hill):

We've got one crossbowman on the galley ready to unload next turn.

I used our Great Enginner to get us within a turn of Engineering - allowing us to move units on roads faster.
I used the Great Artist that popped to get us Theology - we can revolt to Theocracy as the people require this turn.
I discovered or traded for:
Meditation, Drama, Civil Service, Feudalism
and we're 8 turns away from Guilds (mmm knights)

We're pretty much caught up with the world in terms of tech now, and no chance of founding a religion. Once we switch to Theocracy out godless state will be perfect. I'd highly suggest a revolt to Vassalage and Theocracy right away to get our units as experienced as possible. We only just came out of the revolt lag for switching to Bureacracy when it was discovered.

Our intrepid Explorers have given us a better image of the world:

And here's our state:

The TurnLog:

Spoiler :

Enjoy!

The Save File:

BeefontheBone · Mar 23, 2006

Isn't Theocracy a bit useless without a state religion? It's expensive but gives no benefit, unless I'm very much mistaken.

DarthBeer · Mar 23, 2006

Its in our variant rules to adopt it as soon as its available. Plus it will keep any religion spreading to our cities, and we get the xp bonus for new military units.

ruff_hi · Mar 23, 2006

bobrath said:
Yup, we met a bunch of nice folks, and are just one move away from circumnavigation. (so next player needs to just move the two caravels closer and wait a turn for the fun!).
...
I raized the southern barb city... now why did someone leave a catapult on a long goto order when they passed off the save? The cat wasn't needed, and its just bad form (so I thought) to leave any unit on goto orders when you pass off. There were quite a few units on gotos...

I think you already have the +1 for circumnavigating the globe. You don't need the units together (actually, you don't need any units), you just need to have a map that exposes all longatudes.

RE the goto's - that was me - sorry. I clucked on the barb city as the prob of victory was low (<30%) and thought a cat for some colateral was required. Re the others - I think they were just units heading towards the staging area. I always have units on long gotos in my private game and I am trying to break the habit in my SGs - any suggestions on that?

Re the game - good work. Did we take down the JC city on our island?

bobrath · Mar 23, 2006

ruff_hi said:
I think you already have the +1 for circumnavigating the globe. You don't need the units together (actually, you don't need any units), you just need to have a map that exposes all longatudes.

RE the goto's - that was me - sorry. I clucked on the barb city as the prob of victory was low (<30%) and thought a cat for some colateral was required. Re the others - I think they were just units heading towards the staging area. I always have units on long gotos in my private game and I am trying to break the habit in my SGs - any suggestions on that?

Re the game - good work. Did we take down the JC city on our island?

It may look like our map exposes all the longitudes, but we've got one sliver left. Missed it by >< that much.

I only use goto's that are shorter then then turns remaining in my turn. That way I still have the convience of gotos, but there's no chance of passing along tothe next person.

Yeah, we took down the local JC city (Arretium) in the very first turn of war. Captured 116 gold for it as well I think. That is helping our research (60% at a deficit). If we can continue to capture (and pillage anything north of the capture line) then we can research at a deficit. I'd forgotten how much monasteries help early research!

Also with Theaters now available, we can again have our new cities have culture growth (since no religion will ever be available).

I'm not sure how Theocracy will work with no relgion in a city and with "No Religion" as our state religion. I hope it results in an exp boost, but I'm not certain.

Thefigman · Mar 23, 2006

Great set of turns Bobrath!

Just out of curiosity, how soon into your turn set did you declare? I was trying to figure out, well before the game kept crashing, when to jump on JC.

Looks like Ghandi might be our next target, looking at the conquest line and the current diplomatic situation.

bobrath · Mar 23, 2006

1470 - so 6/7 turns in depending on how you count. His culture from the north island had just popped and my two extra galleys had just arrived. It was really more about waiting for the galleys to arrive then anything else. I wanted to drop a big enough force on JC's doorstep that he wouldn't be able to push us back into the sea.

We may wish we had better city attack units cause those longbows will chew up our swordsmen. Double promotions will help (as will the +1 road movement from Engineering - we've got a wide continent!)

Gahndi may be universally hated and the lowest on the totem pole, but Isalbella is isolated. We can't settle on her lands anywhere, but we can level that island (and perhaps as other civs settle they'll get border tensions with one another). Course attacking Gahndi should lead to better relations for "joint military struggle". Wait until we're asked to join (better bonus) AND we have no way of getting combat units over to anyone else yet!!!

We'll be able to cap cities from Saladin and Gahndi for sure, possibly Louis.

First things first, take JC down as hard as we can. Don't be afraid to pillage resources in areas that we won't be able to settle. It will slow down any future civs AND profit our treasury.

FigMan are you going to be able to take your turn now?

Thefigman · Mar 23, 2006

I'll need a skip. It is still happening.

Thefigman · Mar 24, 2006

I will be out of pocket on a business trip until Next Sunday. I'll be checking in on the site, but my business laptop can't play the game.

Yuri2356 · Mar 25, 2006

Well, I guess play falls to me.

*Snagged*

Will get to it later.

DarthBeer · Apr 2, 2006

Has our skipper gone AWOL?

bobrath · Apr 2, 2006

He's posted as recently as the 1st in some other topics...

Yuri2356 · Apr 3, 2006

Sorry everyone, I've faced some busy times over the last week.

Will play tonight. (Currently just on my lunch break)

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