Veritass said:I think this is a scenario to abuse vassals: assume I am on a continent with me in the west, a civ in the middle, and a civ in the east. I conquer the civ in the middle to the point where they become a vassal state to me. I can now declare war on the state in the east, allowing me to move through the vassal state to attack the civ in the east, but the vassal state become a buffer zone that the civ in the east has to mow through.
Anything in the game to mitigate this? Not that it is a cheat or an exploit, just the abuse of the poor vassal state.
Veritass said:I think this is a scenario to abuse vassals: assume I am on a continent with me in the west, a civ in the middle, and a civ in the east. I conquer the civ in the middle to the point where they become a vassal state to me. I can now declare war on the state in the east, allowing me to move through the vassal state to attack the civ in the east, but the vassal state become a buffer zone that the civ in the east has to mow through.
Anything in the game to mitigate this? Not that it is a cheat or an exploit, just the abuse of the poor vassal state.
There is some new info here IIANM. When you say "You can then ask them for anything" what do you mean? No options for techs or stop trading etc. are redded out? They will allways give in to your demands? No penalty for making demands?asabahi said:If you declare war on a civ you also declare war on her vassal states, therefore you will not simply conquer them if you conquer the master state. I played last night as the Persians and made three civs capatuilate to me. You can then ask them for anything. You can trade for any resource, even if they only have one, and they will vote for you for the diplomatic victory. You can also see what they are researching and how far away they are in researching it.
Not just break off.. if your enemy is beating them up that bad it is also very likely that they will capitulate to your enemy right after breaking freeThehistoryman said:If they loss 50% of the land they had when they signed the capitulation they can break off.