Venezuela sells oil to New England poor through non-profit agencies

[eyrei]

The title pretty much says it all. The oil is to be sold at about a 40% discount.

Link.

I read a similar article on CNN.com this morning, but it seems to have disappeared...

While I think Chavez is taking a jab at the Bush administration, he is still saving a lot of poor people a lot of money.

Regardless, it is kind of ironic that our government is even in a position to be shown up by a socialist foreign administration.

 

[amadeus]

It's a public relations move. Venezuela produces 2.6 million barrels of oil a day and 285,000 barrels will be delivered at a 40% discount over the next four months. That averages out to about 2,375 barrels a day, which with that discount Venezuela loses a daily total of $56,050.

Venezuela exports about 2.1 million barrels a day, and if sold at current market price ($59) then the revenue from that oil should be around $123,900,000.

Average out what our federal government spends every day it equals around $6,575,342,465. Now that is a spicy meatball.

 

[blackheart]

Yet.. still shown up by Venezuela.

 

[blackheart]

Double post, bah

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

I agree, rmsharpe, it's a PR move. And yep, it's at little cost to Chavez.

And yet... if some Latin American dictator can keep Americans warm through the winter, and the U.S. government is unable (or Republican unwilling)... then didn't we just get, er, pwned?

 

[Andygal]

He is not a dictator. Don't listen to Fox news. I've had this arguement with other people on another site loads of times. I'm getting tired of people spewing Republician spin all the time.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

He is not a dictator. Don't listen to Fox news. I've had this arguement with other people on another site loads of times. I'm getting tired of people spewing Republician spin all the time.

Oh Chavez isn't a dictator he's a drama queen.

-Hey Mr. Bush please bomb my country so I can start a Latin American revolution and so all my wonderfull speeches come true. I have oil don't you see?- The guy is a moron.

 

[Louis XXIV]

He has taken some steps to ensure he is more likely to stay in power, but I don't think he's a dictator.

Anyway, I can't complain if he does something to give slightly cheaper oil to the United States. You can think about his motivations all day, I'm out buying gas.

 

[bhsup]

I agree, rmsharpe, it's a PR move. And yep, it's at little cost to Chavez.

And yet... if some Latin American dictator can keep Americans warm through the winter, and the U.S. government is unable (or Republican unwilling)... then didn't we just get, er, pwned?

Of course not. Can you tell me in the Constitution where the Federal government is given the authority to spend money to give people heating oil? If they actually did it, it would be yet ANOTHER in a long line of intrusions into State issues by the Federal government. If anything, the Federal government NOT doing it is a victory for Americans and Federalism.

 

[Urederra]

I don't use oil for heating, I use gas. What do they (mostly) use in New England?

Chavez tried a coup d'etat, but he failed. Then he won the elections.

He is happy, though, He just bought some armament from Spain

He does those things to annoy Bush. That sells image inside and outside Venezuela Borders. I guess it is one of Castro's ideas. He might have Parkinsons, but he is still witty.

 

[eyrei]

Of course not. Can you tell me in the Constitution where the Federal government is given the authority to spend money to give people heating oil? If they actually did it, it would be yet ANOTHER in a long line of intrusions into State issues by the Federal government. If anything, the Federal government NOT doing it is a victory for Americans and Federalism.

I don't think States consider it an intrusion when the Federal government helps them monetarily.

Anyway, this is certainly another point for Chavez in his crusade against capitalism.

 

[blackheart]

Of course not. Can you tell me in the Constitution where the Federal government is given the authority to spend money to give people heating oil? If they actually did it, it would be yet ANOTHER in a long line of intrusions into State issues by the Federal government. If anything, the Federal government NOT doing it is a victory for Americans and Federalism.

Who would be foolish enough to complain when people give them money?

 

[BasketCase]

Excuse me, but how is the U.S. government getting "shown up" here???

How many of you (yes, you here in CFC) have made donations to every single charity organization that exists? None of you. There's too damn many of them. Nobody here can afford to help everybody.

Does that make you bad people? No.

Compare how much the U.S. and Venezuela are spending in ALL categories of humanitarian aid, combined, and you'll find it's Chavez who's the tightwad.

What Rmsharpe said. Public relations move by Chavez. Image instead of substance.

 

[MobBoss]

He is not a dictator. Don't listen to Fox news. I've had this arguement with other people on another site loads of times. I'm getting tired of people spewing Republician spin all the time.

Oh...it smells like a dictator...looks like a dictator...feels like a dictator..but wait...its elected.

As many lefties are so fond of pointing out...Saddam was elected too.

Nice try.

The real thing about this that I dont understand is we have a couple of Kennedys brokering this deal with Venezuala for heating oil and another Kennedy screaming about global warming. Doesnt oil increase the hazard of global warming? I mean sheesh.

 

[Pontiuth Pilate]

What's the saying about "sound and fury," Basket? A lot of nice words there, but the facts are our government is too busy handing out money to oil companies, who themselves are too busy screwing us at the pump, to actually help poor people. Not that that's ever been high on the agenda in Washington.

Now, to follow your metaphor, I'm not sure if the U.S. government has handed out lucre to "every single oil corporation that exists," but they sure are trying.

 

[MobBoss]

What's the saying about "sound and fury," Basket? A lot of nice words there, but the facts are our government is too busy handing out money to oil companies, who themselves are too busy screwing us at the pump, to actually help poor people. Not that that's ever been high on the agenda in Washington.

Now, to follow your metaphor, I'm not sure if the U.S. government has handed out lucre to "every single oil corporation that exists," but they sure are trying.

You sound like Bill O'Rielly. But really, Americans are spoiled by the low cost of gasoline in this country. Have you ever see what gas costs around the world? If you knew anything about it at all, you would realize that oil companies take their profit from other nations just so they can keep the cost of gas cheaper here in the US. Try not to complain too much about the good thing we got going.

 

[FredLC]

Oh...it smells like a dictator...looks like a dictator...feels like a dictator..but wait...its elected.

As many lefties are so fond of pointing out...Saddam was elected too.

Nice try.

The real thing about this that I dont understand is we have a couple of Kennedys brokering this deal with Venezuala for heating oil and another Kennedy screaming about global warming. Doesnt oil increase the hazard of global warming? I mean sheesh.

Wow, hold your horses. Unlike Saddam, there is no evidence, not even the charge, actually, that the election which placed Chavez in power was a fraud.

There is also no evidence that he is violating Venezuela's constitution in any way. No law forbids presidents to have foolish dreams about a communist revolution.

The guy is an idiot, I agree with that all the way, but he is not a dictator at all.

Regards .

 

[BasketCase]

What's the saying about "sound and fury," Basket? A lot of nice words there, but the facts are our government is too busy handing out money to oil companies, who themselves are too busy screwing us at the pump,

Since the price of gas in my area is back down to 2 bucks a gallon (from a high of about $2.87), I don't buy the deal about oil companies screwing the customers. Never did, actually.

 

[eyrei]

Since the price of gas in my area is back down to 2 bucks a gallon (from a high of about $2.87), I don't buy the deal about oil companies screwing the customers. Never did, actually.

Awww...the poor defenseless oil companies.

The problem I have with oil companies is that they provide no innovation in product development when energy shortages are not too far over the horizon. They do nothing but distribute a resource, and make huge amounts of money doing it. There is no reason for our government to be subsidizing these companies, because all that accomplishes is increasing their profit margins.

 

[Inter4]

Wow, hold your horses. Unlike Saddam, there is no evidence, not even the charge, actually, that the election which placed Chavez in power was a fraud.

There is also no evidence that he is violating Venezuela's constitution in any way. No law forbids presidents to have foolish dreams about a communist revolution.

The guy is an idiot, I agree with that all the way, but he is not a dictator at all.

Regards .

He's not violating the constituition because HE changed it to his will.



The Venezuela COnstitution has been changed over 25 times my friend.

Anyone who think Chavez is not a dictator has clearly not lived in Venezuela. I'll make it more clear: The guy is doing whatever he wants.. he hunts down the opposition.. he appointed all of his supporters in all of the most important positions of the government. The Supreme Court is formed by Chavistas (in its majority) and he took over PDVSA (Venezuela's Oil company)